Evidence of meeting #88 for Justice and Human Rights in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was c-40.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Jean-François Lafleur
Julie Besner  Senior Counsel, Public Law and Legislative Services Sector, Department of Justice

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON

Thank you.

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

Tako Van Popta Conservative Langley—Aldergrove, BC

I'm sorry, Madam Chair—

4:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Lena Metlege Diab

Go ahead, Mr. Van Popta.

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

Tako Van Popta Conservative Langley—Aldergrove, BC

I have a great deal of respect for you. You're a great chair, but you did not answer my question. What is the statutory deadline for the minister to appear?

4:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Lena Metlege Diab

The minister can appear at any point in time that the committee requests the minister, but in terms of the supplementary estimates, in order to go back to the House, I was told that it was last Monday.

The clerk can explain that. I think Mr. Housefather already explained it. If that is not enough, I'm sure your staff can explain it as well.

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

Tako Van Popta Conservative Langley—Aldergrove, BC

I'm not so sure.

4:20 p.m.

Voices

Oh, oh!

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

Tako Van Popta Conservative Langley—Aldergrove, BC

I have a very good staff, but—

4:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Lena Metlege Diab

If you're really being honest and serious and you're not understanding, the clerk will explain. That's not a problem. We're happy to do that.

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

Tako Van Popta Conservative Langley—Aldergrove, BC

What is the statutory deadline, and what are the consequences of our having missed it?

4:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Lena Metlege Diab

There are no consequences that I'm aware of.

Go ahead, Mr. Clerk.

December 7th, 2023 / 4:20 p.m.

The Clerk of the Committee Mr. Jean-François Lafleur

On the supplementary estimates (B), the last supply day is today. We have to count backwards on this for the time limit for the committee to report the supplementary estimates (B). It would have been last Monday at Routine Proceedings, of course. That's the time frame we have, according to, I believe, Standing Order 81(5).

Secondly, since we don't know what the last supply day will be ahead of time, it's difficult to establish or to have a date on which we are absolutely sure we can report to the House.

Given that, we can always have a study on the supplementary estimates, on the subject matter. The difference between a subject matter study and the one under Standing Order 81(5) is that we cannot vote anymore on each and every credit, because they have been deemed reported to the House.

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

Tako Van Popta Conservative Langley—Aldergrove, BC

This is just for clarification. I'm not trying to be difficult.

4:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Lena Metlege Diab

No, no. I understand.

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

Tako Van Popta Conservative Langley—Aldergrove, BC

The consequences are that, having missed the deadline, this committee is deemed to have approved the supplements.

4:20 p.m.

The Clerk

They're reported without amendments. Let's put it that way.

4:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Lena Metlege Diab

It would be the same in each and every committee, obviously.

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

Tako Van Popta Conservative Langley—Aldergrove, BC

I understand that. It's just that I want to know why we missed the deadline.

4:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Lena Metlege Diab

I believe it's the opposition that decides—again, I've only been here since September 2021, and this is different from provincial—what the last opposition day is. That was decided, and it's today. We wouldn't have known that. Then you count backwards.

In any case, those dates are not within the purview of the chair of a committee.

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

Tako Van Popta Conservative Langley—Aldergrove, BC

It's in your purview to change the meeting agenda.

4:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Lena Metlege Diab

Yes. That's right. That's part of my administrative duty as the chair. It was done on the basis of the understanding we had that we needed to deal with Bill C-40 and not get any other witnesses.

Would you like to proceed, or do you have orders that you don't want to deal with Bill C-40?

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON

I think we're ready to proceed. Can we just verify who is on the speaking list as of now?

4:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Lena Metlege Diab

No one. That's it. There's no one else on the speaking list.

(On clause 2)

There are no amendments for clause 2.

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

Rob Moore Conservative Fundy Royal, NB

Madam Chair, I would like to speak to clause 2.

4:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Lena Metlege Diab

Go ahead, Mr. Moore.