Justice Committee on Feb. 4th, 2026

Evidence of meeting #17 for Justice and Human Rights in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was c-14.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

Members speaking

Anthony Housefather

Patricia Lattanzio

Before the committee

Dyas Mayor, City of Kelowna

Veresuk Executive Director, Regina Downtown Business Improvement District

Campbell President, Toronto Police Association

Poirier Vice-President, Federal Government Relations, Retail Council of Canada

MacKinnon Chairperson, International Downtown Association Canada

Taylor Senior General Counsel and Director General, Criminal Law Policy Section, Department of Justice

Grbac Counsel, Criminal Law Policy Section, Department of Justice

Burt Counsel, Criminal Law Policy Section, Department of Justice

Reynolds Acting Senior Counsel, Youth Criminal Justice Division, Department of Justice

Liberal

The Chair Liberal James Maloney

Thank you, Ms. Lattanzio.

Conservative

Roman Baber Conservative York Centre, ON

I have a point of order.

This is subject to further comments that may be made with respect to whether Ms. Lattanzio's motion is indeed in order.

I'd like the chair to please consider that, in my view, the proposed amendment by Ms. Lattanzio is not in order in that she disposes with process and privilege of these members to consider clause-by-clause and argue clause-by-clause. Further to the request to suspend, please advise if the motion is in order or out of order.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal James Maloney

The motion is receivable.

Conservative

Andrew Lawton Conservative Elgin—St. Thomas—London South, ON

On the same point of order, I would urge the reconsideration of the point of order. The amendment addresses a bill that's not in the main motion, so it is out of scope as an amendment, given the motion that was put forward.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal James Maloney

Thank you, Mr. Lawton.

We'll suspend now.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal James Maloney

I'd like to call this meeting back to order, please.

We were waiting to circulate Ms. Lattanzio's amendment, which has now been done. There was a question as to whether that amendment was acceptable. I ruled that it was.

An hon. member

Challenge.

An hon. member

Point of order.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal James Maloney

What do you want, a challenge or a point of order?

Conservative

Roman Baber Conservative York Centre, ON

I have a point of order on a different ground with respect to Ms. Lattanzio's motion.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal James Maloney

We're dealing with this first.

Conservative

Roman Baber Conservative York Centre, ON

I'm saying that the motion is not receivable.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal James Maloney

It's a different ground.

We're dealing with the point of order.

February 4th, 2026 / 5:55 p.m.

Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant South—Six Nations, ON

We're doing the challenge first.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal James Maloney

We have to deal with one item at a time.

Mr. Lawton has challenged my ruling.

Mr. Clerk.

The Clerk of the Committee Jean-François Lafleur

The question is, shall the ruling of the chair be sustained?

(Ruling of the chair sustained: yeas 5; nays 4)

Liberal

The Chair Liberal James Maloney

Thank you.

Conservative

Roman Baber Conservative York Centre, ON

I have a point of order.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal James Maloney

Yes, Mr. Baber.

Conservative

Roman Baber Conservative York Centre, ON

The motion proposed by Ms. Lattanzio addresses a bill that is not referred to in the main motion.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal James Maloney

Just so I'm clear, are you challenging the fact that this motion can be received or not?

Conservative

Roman Baber Conservative York Centre, ON

That's correct.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal James Maloney

That's already been ruled on. It's been voted on. It's been challenged and voted on.

If you're just arguing the same issue, we're moving on from that.

Conservative

Roman Baber Conservative York Centre, ON

I'm presenting a different ground.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal James Maloney

It doesn't matter. You're a lawyer, Mr. Baber. I don't know how many times you go into court and a judge rules and says, “Hold on. I have another argument. It might change your mind.” That doesn't apply here either.

Mr. Lawton.