Evidence of meeting #17 for Justice and Human Rights in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was c-14.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

Dyas  Mayor, City of Kelowna
Veresuk  Executive Director, Regina Downtown Business Improvement District
Campbell  President, Toronto Police Association
Poirier  Vice-President, Federal Government Relations, Retail Council of Canada
MacKinnon  Chairperson, International Downtown Association Canada
Taylor  Senior General Counsel and Director General, Criminal Law Policy Section, Department of Justice
Grbac  Counsel, Criminal Law Policy Section, Department of Justice
Burt  Counsel, Criminal Law Policy Section, Department of Justice
Reynolds  Acting Senior Counsel, Youth Criminal Justice Division, Department of Justice

Patricia Lattanzio Liberal Saint-Léonard—Saint-Michel, QC

I'm suggest we pose that question to the officials.

The Chair Liberal James Maloney

Mr. Grbac, you're nodding your head.

Peter Grbac Counsel, Criminal Law Policy Section, Department of Justice

In Bill C-14 there was an inadvertent error that removed the onus or the reverse onus that was originally in the Criminal Code. What this amendment seeks to do is to reintroduce the reverse onus for any new indictable offence committed while on bail.

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Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant South—Six Nations, ON

It's a no-brainer.

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Counsel, Criminal Law Policy Section, Department of Justice

Peter Grbac

To be clear, it would also expand the first part. That remains in place.

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Conservative

Roman Baber Conservative York Centre, ON

We're not going to run into charter issues here because we're coupling non-reverse onus offences with reverse onus offences? We should not, right?

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Counsel, Criminal Law Policy Section, Department of Justice

Peter Grbac

What I can say is the original onus that applies in the Criminal Code would be reinstated. To my knowledge, I'm not aware of any charter issues related to that.

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Conservative

Roman Baber Conservative York Centre, ON

It was the reverse onus.

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Counsel, Criminal Law Policy Section, Department of Justice

Peter Grbac

That's correct.

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Conservative

Roman Baber Conservative York Centre, ON

Thank you.

The Chair Liberal James Maloney

Mr. Brock.

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Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant South—Six Nations, ON

I appreciate Ms. Lattanzio's explanation. I mean no disrespect to Ms. Lattanzio, but Mr. Grbac's explanation is far easier to understand.

Let me put this into perspective. Tell me if I'm wrong. In practical terms, when a section 524 issue comes up in the course of a bail hearing.... I used to routinely ask for a section 524 arrest, firstly. Secondly, I would put it on the record that I was seeking the cancellation of all previous releases that would be applicable to that jurisdiction. If I had resources and time, and I knew there were outstanding charges in other jurisdictions, I would have them transferred in if I had the ability to delay that bail hearing.

Am I correct that if we agree to the passage of this government amendment, it is not going to change the status quo that I just described to you? It then triggers a reverse onus provision on the accused immediately once a section 524 opposition is declared. Does that still remain the case?

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Counsel, Criminal Law Policy Section, Department of Justice

Peter Grbac

Yes, that is my understanding. That would remain in place.

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Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant South—Six Nations, ON

Thank you.

The Chair Liberal James Maloney

Mr. Lawton.

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Conservative

Andrew Lawton Conservative Elgin—St. Thomas—London South, ON

Mr. Grbac, I just want to make sure that I understand this correctly. You said this was an error in the way Bill C‑14 was drafted. Who noticed that error? Did it come from your department or did it come from someone on the ministry side of things?

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Counsel, Criminal Law Policy Section, Department of Justice

Peter Grbac

It was in the process of drafting that the error was noticed.

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Conservative

Andrew Lawton Conservative Elgin—St. Thomas—London South, ON

Thank you.

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Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant South—Six Nations, ON

Chair, just for clarification, if G-5 passes—

The Chair Liberal James Maloney

We'll go back to G‑1. We'll go back to the order we're in. We'll go back to the future.

(Amendment agreed to [See Minutes of Proceedings])

That takes us back to G‑1.

Ms. Lattanzio.

Patricia Lattanzio Liberal Saint-Léonard—Saint-Michel, QC

This motion is a technical change that is consequential to G‑5, as stated previously, which amended clause 29 of Bill C‑14. This change is needed to ensure that there is a correct cross-reference to proposed subsection 524(6.2). The change would ensure that someone who is summoned to attend for fingerprinting is aware of the bail consequences of not complying with the summons.

We're just cleaning up the language in the law.

The Chair Liberal James Maloney

Thank you.

Mr. Housefather.

Anthony Housefather Liberal Mount Royal, QC

Just to clarify, that basically means you're telling the person that if they breach their bail conditions, it could lead to detention. Is that right?

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Counsel, Criminal Law Policy Section, Department of Justice

Peter Grbac

That is correct. It's effectively putting them on notice.

Anthony Housefather Liberal Mount Royal, QC

Okay. Thank you.