Evidence of meeting #17 for Justice and Human Rights in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was c-14.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

Dyas  Mayor, City of Kelowna
Veresuk  Executive Director, Regina Downtown Business Improvement District
Campbell  President, Toronto Police Association
Poirier  Vice-President, Federal Government Relations, Retail Council of Canada
MacKinnon  Chairperson, International Downtown Association Canada
Taylor  Senior General Counsel and Director General, Criminal Law Policy Section, Department of Justice
Grbac  Counsel, Criminal Law Policy Section, Department of Justice
Burt  Counsel, Criminal Law Policy Section, Department of Justice
Reynolds  Acting Senior Counsel, Youth Criminal Justice Division, Department of Justice

7:05 p.m.

Conservative

Andrew Lawton Conservative Elgin—St. Thomas—London South, ON

I have a point of order on that.

The Chair Liberal James Maloney

A point of order on the point of order?

7:05 p.m.

Conservative

Andrew Lawton Conservative Elgin—St. Thomas—London South, ON

It's on the point of order.

The Chair Liberal James Maloney

Mr. Lawton.

7:05 p.m.

Conservative

Andrew Lawton Conservative Elgin—St. Thomas—London South, ON

Ms. Lattanzio is I presume deliberately misrepresenting what was agreed to last week. There was no limitation of debate. The actual desire by the Liberals to censor and restrict debate was not agreed to by anyone. That is a misrepresentation of the motion at the end.

The Chair Liberal James Maloney

I didn't hear her say that.

Mr. Brock, you have the floor.

7:05 p.m.

Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant South—Six Nations, ON

Are there other Conservative members?

The Chair Liberal James Maloney

Mr. Brock, you have the floor.

7:05 p.m.

Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant South—Six Nations, ON

I'm asking the chair a question.

The Chair Liberal James Maloney

You have the floor to make submissions.

7:05 p.m.

Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant South—Six Nations, ON

I'm going to make submissions, Chair. I'm just asking if other Conservative members have indicated their willingness to intervene on this issue.

The Chair Liberal James Maloney

They have.

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant South—Six Nations, ON

Thank you.

I can continue to wax on, but I want to get to the point because I guess Ms. Lattanzio doesn't appreciate relevancy and I was going to circle back to relevancy literally within, I don't know, maybe another half an hour from now. I can cut to the chase and if necessary I can go back and I can finish the history that I wanted to share with this committee.

I'm prepared to move a subamendment to Ms. Lattanzio's amendment to read:

That, at the conclusion of clause-by-clause consideration of Bill C-14, the committee immediately proceed to the consideration of Bill C-16.

That was the preamble to my motion.

Ms. Lattanzio's amendment was to return to clause-by-clause consideration of Bill C-9 as agreed to on January 26, 2026. I would delete the following: “and if the committee has not completed its clause-by-clause consideration of Bill C‑9 by 1 p.m. on February 9, all remaining amendments submitted to the committee shall be deemed moved, and the chair shall put the question forthwith and successively without further debate on all remaining clauses and amendments submitted to the committee, as well as each and every question necessary to dispose of the clause-by-clause consideration of Bill C‑9,”

That entire passage would be deleted, and the rest of the motion continue: “and that the committee begin consideration of Bill C-16 at the next meeting following the completion of clause-by-clause on Bill C-9.”

That is the subamendment I'm moving at this time.

The Chair Liberal James Maloney

Thanks, Mr. Brock.

Do you have that in writing?

7:10 p.m.

Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant South—Six Nations, ON

I can get it in writing.

The Chair Liberal James Maloney

Okay.

Let's suspend for a few minutes and we'll get it in writing.

The Chair Liberal James Maloney

I'd like to call this meeting back to order.

When we suspended, Mr. Brock had just put forward his subamendment to Ms. Lattanzio's amendment, which I believe has now been circulated and received by all, and you've all had an opportunity to read it.

Is there any discussion on Mr. Brock's subamendment?

(Subamendment agreed to: yeas 9; nays 0)

7:30 p.m.

Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant South—Six Nations, ON

Let's go to the witnesses.

The Chair Liberal James Maloney

We still have to vote on the amendment and the motion.

Anthony Housefather Liberal Mount Royal, QC

We have to go back and [Inaudible—Editor].

A voice

Do the motion as amended.

The Chair Liberal James Maloney

No, we have to go back to the amendment.

Now we're going back to Ms. Lattanzio's amendment as amended by Mr. Brock's subamendment.

Anthony Housefather Liberal Mount Royal, QC

The amendment has been changed by the subamendment and it was voted for. Wouldn't we just go to the main motion with the subamendment as included?

The Chair Liberal James Maloney

We voted on the subamendment. Now we're voting on the amendment as amended by the subamendment. That's procedurally the correct way to do it.

Anthony Housefather Liberal Mount Royal, QC

It's the same wording again that we're voting to accept that we just accepted.