Thank you, Mr. Chair.
With respect, I want to come back to some of the stuff that Mr. Baber said, because, of course, this bill essentially re-establishes MMPs that were struck down by the courts. Of course, this bill furthers the goal of ensuring that MMPs are put in place, because otherwise they would remain struck down.
This bill creates a mechanism by which courts can determine whether or not somebody's individual circumstances, as opposed to using a reasonable hypothetical, would invalidate something for that person instead of for the entire group of offenders. The courts will no longer be using reasonable hypotheticals. They will be looking at the individual charged with the offence and they'll be determining if the MMP is inapplicable to them, and then you have suggested wording that is consistent with that principle, which is whether it would be cruel and unusual.
Mr. Baber is now seeking to introduce other elements into the factoring. Mr. Baber was arguing that not including murder or treason somehow is illogical. To me, it's completely logical, because we're assuming that murder and treason are such heinous offences that nobody would ever question an MMP for them, and they have not been the subject of debate in the courts that could lead to them being—