Indeed, I said, “possibility of rehabilitation”. Regardless, it's not for me to decide what that is. That's what judicial discretion is for. It allows the judges, who know these types of cases and these types of offenders, to be the ones who make those decisions. We should all put our trust in the judiciary to do that.
You said that 25 years is not a long time. It's actually at 23 years when offenders can first apply if they're given that chance every two years. However, these are criminals. These are the ones who have taken away lives and who have lasted for more time. The lives that are lost are for more than 25 years. If you're a family member, that 25 years is not a very long period for grieving.
As you approach the 23-year period—even in advance of that, as you will hear on Wednesday—preparations in advance of a parole hearing are not just something that turn up at the last minute. There are decisions made, letters received and statements are prepared. It consumes a very long period of time.
To summarize, that's not up for us as parliamentarians to decide. That should be with the judiciary.