I think what Mr. Baber was raising with me is the fact that the hate offence, as currently defined, applies to any Criminal Code offence as well as any offence under any federal statute. He raised a concern about whether or not any federal statute would incorporate quasi-criminal offences created under other pieces of legislation and, as such, undermine the purpose behind this, which is to address true crime. I said that, if there's concern about this, the way to address it is by saying that the hate offence section applies to the Criminal Code and to specify the other offences to which it applies, rather than leaving it open to all federal offences that exist.
Let's face it. This is going to be applicable, based on my experience, in 99.9% of cases of Criminal Code offences. That's what you want to strike at—labelling offences as hate offences that are conventional offences under the Criminal Code but also having the hate motivation.