From our perspective, in talking to other customers and/or suppliers.... That is why I referred to both our lumber side and the pulp and paper and OSB plywood sectors and all that.
We've recently had meetings and conversations with both rail lines and the people they supply and the customers we actually ship to. I mean, it's something that's going on everywhere.
You have a forest industry in crisis and reduced demand, definitely, from paper mills in Canada, pulp mills in Canada, and lumber mills in Canada. In our specific situation, tying into others, you probably have a reduction in demand in excess of 50% of the cars you require. On top of that, they're announcing an up to 7% rate increase in light of all that.
The way they're doing this is by just putting everything back into storage or by not renewing leases, and therefore there is this artificial limiting of supply. And they're using that to drive the rates.
I'm hearing that from other western producers in all industries, whether it be OSB or anything to do with forest products.