Evidence of meeting #44 for Natural Resources in the 40th Parliament, 3rd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was bloom.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Garry Flett  Vice-President and Chief Operating Officer, Athabasca Chipewyan First Nation Business Group
Douglas P. Bloom  President, Spectra Energy Transmission West
Jim Campbell  Vice-President, Government Affairs and Corporate Responsibility, Cenovus Energy Inc.
Jon Mitchell  Team Lead, Environment Policy and Strategy, Cenovus Energy Inc.

4:25 p.m.

President, Spectra Energy Transmission West

Douglas P. Bloom

We believe that establishing a national energy strategy is a good idea and that now is a good time to address that issue. We're fortunate that we have abundant resources. We've had abundant market opportunities as well. However, on the natural gas side, we're in an increasingly competitive situation. While we in Canada have abundant shale resources, so does the United States, and we're seeing vigorous competition for existing markets. As a result of that, I think we need to start looking at a longer-term strategy to develop the resource, to develop the markets, and to maximize the value that energy can provide to the economy.

4:25 p.m.

NDP

Nathan Cullen NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

It's an interesting thing. I'll quote from one of your recommendations here: Spectra Energy strongly supports the positive direction taken by the National Energy Board to encourage and attract investment in key energy infrastructure in Canada.

What did you mean by that?

4:25 p.m.

President, Spectra Energy Transmission West

Douglas P. Bloom

We think the National Energy Board has done a good job of establishing a regulatory framework that's clear and understandable and relatively dependable in terms of the timelines for handling regulatory applications. That's a very important and sometimes under-appreciated part of what they do, and frankly it's an important part of energy investment and ultimately of the delivery chain. We think the work they have undertaken to try to provide as much regulatory clarity and certainty of process as possible is important and should be recognized.

4:25 p.m.

NDP

Nathan Cullen NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

At this committee, I think we might interpret energy security in slightly different ways. You spoke earlier in the question to security of market and the global competitiveness, particularly in your industry, because there is so much natural gas and prices are incredibly depressed right now. They are very low, relatively speaking.

Something that confuses some of us is that the east-west connections in our energy profile in this country are very weak, whereas north-south avenues have been the historical and predominant ones. As you're a Texas-based company, you have an encouragement to have that north-south supply continue, and under NAFTA we have certain treaty obligations, but you talked about encouraging the Canadian market. Why is there a lack of investment from companies to this point, whether it be in electricity, gas, oil, or any of the things we want to use in the Canadian market, and why has there been no leadership from government to enhance our security—and I'm talking about the supply for consumers side of things—from an east-west profile, rather than importing Middle East oil into eastern Canada while exporting Canadian oil from western Canada to the United States and other markets? Why has there been so little infrastructure built between the provinces on oil, gas, or electricity?

4:25 p.m.

President, Spectra Energy Transmission West

Douglas P. Bloom

Let me comment on natural gas, for starters.

There is a pretty substantial east-west infrastructure in place right now, and in fact it has been in place for decades now. There are pipeline systems that extend from Alberta and western Canada—and you could extend that back to British Columbia, because of the interconnected nature of the pipeline systems--to eastern Canadian markets, including Quebec. In the natural gas sector there has been a pretty substantial infrastructure put in place.

I think on the oil side there has been as well. A lot of western Canadian oil is transported east, not only to Canada but to markets in the U.S. midwest and beyond. At least in those two sectors there has been a pretty sizeable west-east infrastructure put in place.

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Thank you, Mr. Cullen

We will now go to the witnesses from Cenovus Energy: Jim Campbell, vice-president of government affairs and corporate responsibility; Alan Reid, vice-president for regulatory, local community, and military areas; and Jon Mitchell, team lead, environmental policy and strategy.

You have, combined, up to seven minutes for your presentation. Go ahead, please, with your presentation.

4:30 p.m.

Jim Campbell Vice-President, Government Affairs and Corporate Responsibility, Cenovus Energy Inc.

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Good afternoon, and thank you for the invitation to join you here today. My name is Jim Campbell, and I am vice-president for government affairs and corporate responsibility at Cenovus Energy Inc. I'm joined by Jon Mitchell, team lead, environmental policy and strategy.

We're very proud to represent our 3,000-plus staff to share information with you about Cenovus, including information on our contribution to the Canadian economy and our commitment to safely and responsibly produce energy resources that the world needs.

Cenovus is a Canadian oil company based in Calgary, Alberta--

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Excuse me, Mr. Campbell; you're going to have to slow down a bit. The interpreters can't keep up if you go that fast. You're going to have to convince yourself to deliver it slowly.

Go ahead, please.

4:30 p.m.

Vice-President, Government Affairs and Corporate Responsibility, Cenovus Energy Inc.

Jim Campbell

My apologies, Mr. Chair.

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Go ahead.

4:30 p.m.

Vice-President, Government Affairs and Corporate Responsibility, Cenovus Energy Inc.

Jim Campbell

Cenovus is a Canadian oil company based in Calgary, Alberta. Our roots date to the 1880s, the earliest days of the oil and gas industry in western Canada. Today we have oil and natural gas production across Alberta and southern Saskatchewan; however, the growth of our business will be within our oil sands properties in northeast Alberta.

The oil on Cenovus's oil sands leases is deep underground and cannot be mined. In fact, as the committee has likely heard, 80% of the oil in the oil sands region in Alberta cannot be mined. These deep oil sands reservoirs require specialized methods to drill and pump the oil to the surface. We produce this oil by injecting steam into the reservoir to soften the oil deposits so that they can separate from the sand and be pumped to the surface. This is a production method known as steam-assisted gravity drainage, or SAGD, a technology we helped pioneer at Foster Creek in 1996.

A single well pad, with nine well pairs, covers about four to six acres on the surface, but accesses approximately 185 acres underground.

In 2010, we produced about 116,000 barrels of oil a day from 177 wells at our oil sands projects, and by 2019 we expect that the gross production capacity at our two major producing projects, Foster Creek and Christina Lake--both of which are also 50% owned by ConocoPhillips--could reach 493,000 barrels per day.

As we grow our business, we consult with local stakeholders. Where we can, we train and hire locally and use local businesses and services. We also work with many aboriginal communities and organizations in our operating areas.

In the Christina Lake area, for example, about 120 kilometres south of Fort McMurray, we have worked closely with Chipewyan Prairie Dene First Nation, which is our closest first nation neighbour. We have worked with this community to identify preferred vendors from among their joint venture companies. Overall, in 2008 and 2009 we spent $186 million with aboriginal businesses that provide oil field services and help to keep our camps running smoothly.

Wherever we can’t source materials locally, we expand our reach. Many of the materials used by our company and our industry require the skills of Canadians beyond Alberta’s borders. In 2010, we procured services and materials from all 10 provinces. In Ontario, our spend was almost $57 million. More than130 Ontario-based businesses benefited, including BlueSky Process Solutions in Stoney Creek, which provided us with pipe connectors and fittings. East of Ontario, our spend was more than $6.6 million. We bought environmental cleaners from suppliers such as West Penetone in Montreal, and commissioning and startup services from suppliers such as OTS in Sydney, Nova Scotia.

But within the industry we are just one of many companies that have contributed to the wealth of Canadians. A July 2009 report by the Canadian Energy Research Institute, CERI, indicated that oil and gas businesses paid $58 billion to Canadian governments in 2007. Further, the report anticipates that over the next 25 years the industry will add about $3.6 trillion to Canadian GDP, 25 million person-years of employment, and over one trillion dollars in net revenues for Canadian governments.

Those are significant numbers, but I’d like to shift now to the economic impacts of in situ development. Another CERI report, from January 2010, found that a 30,000-barrel-per-day SAGD project, with a lifespan of roughly 30 years, generates economic benefits throughout Canada. Over its lifetime, that single project would support more than 5,500 direct jobs, generate more than $9.5 billion in royalty revenues, more than $2 billion in federal tax revenues, and more than $3 billion in GDP nationally, and would contribute $35 million and $15 million to the GDPs of Ontario and Quebec respectively.

However, we don’t believe that economics is the only thing we should consider. Like every human activity, energy development has an impact on the environment. One of our ongoing objectives is to advance technologies that increase oil production while using the smallest amount of water, natural gas, electricity, and land possible.

Since our first oil sands well in 1996, we have taken a measured approach to our growth in the area. We develop our projects in phases, increasing production in 30,000-40,000 barrel-per-day increments, applying what we learn from one phase to the next in a process of continuous improvement.

The key measure of efficiency for SAGD operations is the amount of steam needed to produce a barrel of oil. Our steam-to-oil ratio is less than 2.3, which is among the lowest in the industry. A lower steam-to-oil ratio translates to lower energy usage, lower water usage, lower emissions, and a smaller surface footprint.

I'd like to share with you a few examples of innovations that have allowed us to steadily reduce our steam-to-oil ratio.

Recently, we introduced a new technology that taps into zones of previously inaccessible melted bitumen near our producing well pairs. This technology is a Cenovus innovation that allows us to access that wedge of bitumen and pump the oil to the surface using only single wells and little or no incremental steam. We call these “wedge wells”. They increase the amount of oil recovered while lowering our environmental impact.

We are also pilot-testing another technological improvement in our SAGD operations. It involves combining the injected steam with solvents, such as butane, to help bring the oil to the surface. Using the solvent also reduces the amount of steam required in the SAGD process.

These and other technologies come from our significant investment in research and development. We recently announced that we would increase our budget for research and development to $65 million. At any one time we have approximately 50 research projects under way, each designed to improve processes, protect the environment, or improve the energy efficiency of our operations.

Thanks to the hard work of our people, we increased our oil sands production 190% from 2004 to 2009. During that same period we lowered our sulphur dioxide intensity by 77%, reduced our well pad footprint by 23%, improved our greenhouse gas intensity by 17%, and improved our fresh water-to-bitumen ratio by 91%.

The majority of the water we use is saline water, which is not suitable for animal or human consumption or agriculture and is not taken from rivers, lakes, or streams. We use less than 5% fresh water in our oil sands operations. This water comes from wells in the area and not from surface sources. Fresh groundwater is used mostly for domestic purposes, such as drinking water and sanitation at our camps and facilities; wastewater is reused in our operations whenever possible.

In 2009, Cenovus produced enough oil that, refined into gasoline and diesel, it would fuel 2.8 million cars for one year, but oil is more than a source of fuel. Oil and natural gas are essential materials needed to develop cutting-edge technologies that make a positive difference in our lives. Indeed, nearly everything we use is either made from oil and natural gas byproducts, made by machinery or in facilities powered by oil and natural gas, or transported by fuels refined from oil, such as gasoline or diesel.

We are a company that prides itself on its innovative spirit. Since 2003, Cenovus has committed $14 million towards early-stage technologies through our environmental opportunities fund. We have funded 11 projects spearheaded by internal teams, external entrepreneurial firms, and academic researchers, all of whom are developing technologies focused on renewable and alternative energy, as well as environmentally driven improvements for the oil and gas sector.

In closing, I would like to assure the committee and Canadians that the people at Cenovus are committed to applying new ideas and new approaches to develop energy resources safely and responsibly. We are committed to making smart decisions, advancing technology, and continuously improving.

Thank you. We'd be pleased to answer your questions, sir.

4:40 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Thank you very much, Mr. Campbell, for your presentation.

We will carry on with questioning.

We'll go now to Mr. Anderson, who will have up to seven minutes.

Mr. Flett, if you feel you have to leave partway through, just go ahead. We understand.

February 15th, 2011 / 4:40 p.m.

Conservative

David Anderson Conservative Cypress Hills—Grasslands, SK

Mr. Flett, I will start with you, in case you do have to leave.

I heard in your response to Nathan's questions what sounds like a little bit of frustration that you haven't been able to employ more of your own people.

You refer to Syncrude, Shell, and Suncor in your presentation as employing folks in your area. Do you have any idea how many people they employ? Is it a fairly large number?

4:40 p.m.

Vice-President and Chief Operating Officer, Athabasca Chipewyan First Nation Business Group

Garry Flett

Do you mean in the aboriginal community?

4:40 p.m.

Conservative

David Anderson Conservative Cypress Hills—Grasslands, SK

Yes, I do, out of your communities.

4:40 p.m.

Vice-President and Chief Operating Officer, Athabasca Chipewyan First Nation Business Group

Garry Flett

No, I don't know the number offhand.

4:40 p.m.

Conservative

David Anderson Conservative Cypress Hills—Grasslands, SK

Then that's fine.

You have 1,300 employees in both your business and joint ventures there. Can you talk a little about the change that you feel you're bringing to your community, then, from providing employment? Has it made a significant difference in your community for you to have these dozen businesses operating in the area?

4:40 p.m.

Vice-President and Chief Operating Officer, Athabasca Chipewyan First Nation Business Group

Garry Flett

Thank you.

The home community for the ACFN, the Athabasca Chipewyan First Nation, is in Fort Chipewyan, which is not their reserve. Do I feel that I'm providing a local benefit for them? For the ones who are living in Fort McMurray, yes, I do. We have one business that's within the community of Fort Chipewyan. It's Chip Manufacturing, which produces Kevlar material out of Kevlar yarn. There we employ 15 or 16 people in a factory. It's a great business and great for the community. It provides employment for working-age mothers who drop their children off at school, go to work, and then pick up their children and go home.

Do I feel that it brings benefit to that community? I do, definitely. Do I wish I could expand it? Definitely, and I probably will be doing that, providing there is industrial demand for the product.

4:40 p.m.

Conservative

David Anderson Conservative Cypress Hills—Grasslands, SK

Mr. Bloom, we had a Quebec witness here last week who suggested that it would be best if the natural gas stayed in the ground. His rationale was that the prices are low now and that the gas should stay there until the prices rise.

I have a couple of questions. You folks have added employees through these low prices. Can you tell us why you've done that and how you've been able to do that? Is this a good time to be expanding?

4:40 p.m.

President, Spectra Energy Transmission West

4:40 p.m.

Conservative

David Anderson Conservative Cypress Hills—Grasslands, SK

Why are you expanding now?

4:40 p.m.

President, Spectra Energy Transmission West

Douglas P. Bloom

What's driving our expansion is the rapid increase in production that we're seeing in the shale gas and unconventional plays, particularly in northeast B.C. The Horn River Basin is a shale play in the Fort Nelson area. We have a very large infrastructure in place, and by infrastructure I mean extensive gathering pipelines and a very large gas processing plant at Fort Nelson, which has given us a very good foundation.

4:45 p.m.

Bloc

Paule Brunelle Bloc Trois-Rivières, QC

There are some technical problems.

There are some problems about mikes.

4:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Vice-Chair Liberal Alan Tonks

The microphones apparently are in bad shape. The translation part isn't working.

Madam Brunelle, could you just...?

4:45 p.m.

Bloc

Paule Brunelle Bloc Trois-Rivières, QC

It's not mine. It's the interpreter.