Evidence of meeting #6 for Natural Resources in the 40th Parliament, 3rd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was repair.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Peter Goodhand  As an Individual
Stephen Littlejohn  Vice-President, Communications, Pharmaceuticals Division, Covidien
Philippe Hébert  Director, Sales and Marketing, Pharmaceuticals Division, Tyco Healthcare Group Canada, Covidien
Hugh MacDiarmid  President and Chief Executive Officer, Atomic Energy of Canada Limited
William Pilkington  Senior Vice-President and Chief Nuclear Officer, Atomic Energy of Canada Limited

9:05 a.m.

Liberal

The Vice-Chair Liberal Alan Tonks

Good morning, members of the committee.

To our invited guests, good morning, and thank you for being here.

Pursuant to Standing Order 108(2), we are involved in the study of the status of the NRU reactor and the supply of medical isotopes.

Members of the committee have been spared the presence of the chair. He is on the road, and I will be filling in for him. I didn't mean that we'd been spared the presence. We will all miss him tremendously, and I'll certainly let him know that when he returns.

We'd like to welcome, as an individual, Mr. Peter Goodhand. Welcome, Mr. Goodhand. Thank you for being here.

And we have, from Covidien, Stephen Littlejohn, vice-president, communications, pharmaceuticals division. Welcome.

As well, we have Philippe Hébert, director of sales and marketing, pharmaceuticals division, Tyco Healthcare Canada.

I recognize some who have made deputations before committee, but I will give an explanation. We allow eight to ten minutes. We invite you to make your presentations during that time. Then we begin with a seven-minute round of questions and answers from the members. We'll try to expedite that. The second round, if that's possible, is usually five minutes.

Without any further ado, Mr. Goodhand, would you like to lead off?

9:05 a.m.

Peter Goodhand As an Individual

I don't have a formal presentation. I certainly won't use the time allotted.

I am here as an individual, but obviously as the person who chaired the expert committee on the medium- to long-term supply situation. In that context, we did look at the current situation, only to the extent that it informed the long-term picture.

I also, in my day job, as you can probably guess from the daffodil, am the CEO of the Canadian Cancer Society. I try to keep those two roles distinct and separate through the chairing of the panel, so I am here today as an individual. I'll give you any insights I can from the work of the panel as it may relate to the questions around the NRU. It wasn't our particular focus, because we were very much in the 15-to-20-year timeframe, looking to the future. And to the extent that through my work at the Canadian Cancer Society we're informed about the situation affecting patients today, I'll be able to share that with you as well.

That really is all I have to say as an opening statement.

9:05 a.m.

Liberal

The Vice-Chair Liberal Alan Tonks

Fine. Thank you, Mr. Goodhand. We appreciate that.

Perhaps we'll just go on with Mr. Littlejohn, if you'd like to lead off, or with Mr. Hébert.

9:05 a.m.

Stephen Littlejohn Vice-President, Communications, Pharmaceuticals Division, Covidien

Actually Mr. Hébert will start for us.

9:05 a.m.

Liberal

The Vice-Chair Liberal Alan Tonks

All right, by all means, go ahead.

9:05 a.m.

Philippe Hébert Director, Sales and Marketing, Pharmaceuticals Division, Tyco Healthcare Group Canada, Covidien

Hello, my name is Philippe Hébert and I am the director of sales and marketing, in the pharmaceuticals division of Covidien Canada. I would like to thank the committee for its invitation.

Covidien is a health products company with a worldwide presence. The company supplies technetium-99m generators all over the world. In Canada we employ about 500 people in all fields of healthcare and medical products.

In Europe we have a molybdenum extraction facility in the town of Petten, which extracts molybdenum from reactors in Europe. We also have an operations centre there to produce technetium-99m generators. The other centre that supplies Canada and North America is the fabrication centre in Maryland Heights, in the St. Louis, Missouri, area. All clients in Canada are served from that centre.

Covidien traces its roots in this field to the Mallinckrodt company, established over 160 years ago, with headquarters in the St. Louis area. We have continued this heritage. In Canada for the past three years, we have made considerable investments in order to play a more active role in supplying and distributing medical isotopes in the Canadian market.

As you probably already know, there are only two manufacturers of technetium-99m generators in North America. We are one of them. For the past three years our purpose has been to offer Canadian centres a more diversified supply that reduces the risks of supply chain breakdowns that have unfortunately been affecting the medical field. We have had considerable success in becoming an alternate source of supply in the Canada's western and Atlantic provinces. That is why, if you look at the centres in these regions, you will see that the impact of the Chalk River reactor repair process is very limited. That is because of our ability to prove technetium-99m and molybdenum from alternative sources.

I would like to explain briefly how we have been operating since the repairs to the Chalk River reactor began. As a global organization, Covidien has concentrated on supplying its customers. We have contracts with our customers. These contracts are usually for the long term, of at least one year. Our goal is always to ensure that our clients have the best possible supply. Since the repairs to the Chalk River reactor began, we have also established a process to inform the market when additional production is available. We have made a special effort to supply Canada with additional production of technetium-99m generators that can be offered to centres that are not our usual customers here. Such additional production can vary from week to week, but some weeks we have been able to offer 600 curies. To give you an idea of scale, 600 curies is probably one third of the Canadian market's needs. Some weeks, much less is available; other weeks, it is just enough to satisfy our Canadian customers' needs.

Since the beginning, we have made a very determined effort to inform the market of this availability. We have published a calendar that informs the Canadian centres about what supplies we expect to have available two or three months in advance. I will stop here and turn it over to my colleague, Mr. Stephen Littlejohn.

9:10 a.m.

Vice-President, Communications, Pharmaceuticals Division, Covidien

Stephen Littlejohn

Thank you, Philippe.

My name is Steve Littlejohn. I'm with Covidien, a global health-care products company. I'm a vice-president at Covidien's pharmaceuticals segment, which is based in St. Louis, Missouri. I also co-chair our global task force that is helping to manage the challenging medical isotope crisis worldwide.

More than 35 million nuclear medicine procedures are performed worldwide each year. Approximately two million of these are performed in Canada using single photon emission computed tomography technology. While many people are unfamiliar with medical isotopes, they or a family member have probably benefited from this technology.

The technetium-99m that comes from molybdenum-99 is a vital medical isotope. It is used in over 80% of all nuclear medicine SPECT diagnostic and functional studies of organs and anatomical systems. The information from these studies is used by many medical specialists, including, among others, radiologists, nephrologists, oncologists, and cardiologists, to better diagnose and treat patients.

Throughout the molybdenum-99 shortage that began with the unexpected and now lengthy shutdown of the NRU reactor in Chalk River, Ontario, now combined with the planned shutdown of the High Flux Reactor in the Netherlands, we have had two primary goals.

Our top priority is maximizing patient access, as fairly as possible on a global level, to critical diagnostic procedures that depend on technetium-99m.

Second, transparent and frequent communications are crucial in our collaboration with the nuclear medicine community to help them plan as efficiently as possible to provide maximum access for those patients most critically in need of this vital isotope. We have also established a special web page to provide easier access to current information on the situation, which can be reached at www.covidien.com/mo99supply.

We believe that we have been successful in meeting both objectives, but a continued strong effort is still necessary over the next few months.

Covidien firmly believes in the value of a diverse supply of molybdenum-99. Long-standing supply arrangements with each of the major medical isotope reactors continue to be highly beneficial, as they have been throughout the shortage. The global molybdenum-99 supply chain is heavily interdependent and can be very fragile. There are many steps between the reactor and the patient. Any one of them may prove hazardous if all does not go as planned.

I'll depart from my remarks briefly right now to explicate that. Let's say that we start with a reactor. We'll talk about the Maria reactor in Poland. They'll do the irradiation cycle. That might take six or seven days. This reactor is about 30 kilometres east of Warsaw. When the irradiation is complete, the targets are put in special containers--a target is about the size of a ruler--and for about 22 hours they're trucked across Poland and Germany to our facility in Petten in the Netherlands. The processing period may take about 16 hours. Then the product is moved to a technetium generator facility in Petten or Europe or Africa. Also, molybdenum is shipped by air to our facility in Maryland Heights. It takes about 12 hours to get it across and into St. Louis. There's a six- or seven-hour production cycle, and then it's in the air again to patients.

If you calculate all of that, from the point at which it leaves Warsaw, Poland, to the time it reaches a patient in Canada, it is a matter of hours. You can add it up, but it's a very short time. It's very complex. Everything has to work right at each stage along the way. And as you know, and as you've heard many times, it can't be stored. It's all real time, and it's all a batch process.

Obviously, having two primary reactors down simultaneously is an extreme example of a break in the supply chain. In preparation for this possibility, Covidien took additional precautionary actions.

Since last May, Covidien has taken a host of measures to lead the industry in addressing the supply issues affecting the availability of medical isotopes. Some were designed for immediate impact. As I just mentioned, Covidien and the Institute of Atomic Energy in Poland, or IAE POLATOM, announced an agreement last month that will provide an additional resource for this critical medical isotope. The agreement adds IAE POLATOM's Maria research reactor to the global supply chain for molybdenum-99. More than a million additional patients are expected to benefit from this additional supply in just the first six months.

If you do the math, if you have roughly 30 million procedures in the world that use technetium and you multiply the one million to two million for annual.... At two million, you're getting close to 10%. That is not a lot in the grand context, but when you look at the millions of patients being helped that otherwise wouldn't be helped, and having a supply when there wouldn't otherwise be a supply, it makes a difference. I do want to note too that it brings the first new reactor into the worldwide supply chain in more than a decade to help meet the demands of medical isotopes in this time of critical shortage.

What I'm about to say is really important, and I want to really emphasize it. We work closely with Health Canada and the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, or FDA. Those two agencies worked together and collaborated in an extraordinary, admirable kind of way to ensure that approval came. But I want to make very clear that this was not a shortcut approval; this is what I call expeditious rigour--with the emphasis on the rigour.

We had people on both sides of the border in the regulatory agencies willing to work on weekends, willing to take pieces of material and process them. It was an extraordinary effort by the regulatory community all the way around to do two very important things: get molybdenum into the supply chain and into technetium generators for patients, but at the same time ensure safety. You've got to have both at the same time when you're working in this. So that was really extraordinary, and we're very grateful for that.

However, as I mentioned before, adding Maria will not completely replace the molybdenum 99 supply lost to the NRU or HFR shutdowns. As I said, it can only address about 10% of world demand. So our efforts towards maximizing the molybdenum supply arrangements with all viable sources continue.

We actively supported additional production cycles and an increase in the number of targets at Belgium’s BR2 reactor during the shutdown of HFR, and we continue to increase the production of the potential alternative: clinically appropriate medical isotopes such as thallium TI 201.

The combined use of molybdenum 99 from the remaining online reactors--Maria, BR2, OSIRIS in France, and Safari in South Africa--improves the outlook for the coming months. But we estimate intermittent ability to fully meet existing customer orders, with some periods of more serious shortages for technetium generators. This variability will be due to already scheduled brief maintenance shutdowns of the remaining molybdenum supply, including Maria.

Just to give you a better sense of that, referring to our calendars that we issue periodically.... We have one that will be issued as soon as we can get it translated into French into the Canadian market, rightfully. But just to highlight that, May is going to be a particularly difficult month. It could be difficult across the world. But at the same time, there are a number of dates in May that will be better, or at least not as bad, primarily because of the Maria reactor. The bright spots are May 9, 10, 20, 21, 28, and 29.

So we would hope with our communications that we can help physicians and other clinicians schedule appropriately to avoid the bad shortages and maybe be able to do it when there's a little bit extra available.

But we're not looking at just the short term, we're also looking at the long term. In January of 2009 Covidien formed a partnership with Babcock & Wilcox Technical Services Group, or B&W. We're collaborating to develop solution-based reactor technology for medical isotope production. This will combine our expertise in radiopharmaceutical production and processing, and global regulatory approvals, with B&W’s patented liquid phase nuclear technology, and will utilize low-enriched uranium or LEU. The current target for completion of that would be the middle to latter part of 2014.

We've also expressed support for the Dutch government’s efforts to develop the new Pallas reactor in the Netherlands. In addition, the Missouri University Research Reactor, or MURR, is also prominent in efforts to become a U.S.-based source of molybdenum 99 using LEU. Covidien is evaluating MURR as an optional supplier.

We also support the American Medical Isotopes Production Act in the U.S. Congress. The act promotes U.S. production of molybdenum 99 for medical isotopes manufacturing while also phasing out the export of highly enriched uranium for medical isotope production.

9:20 a.m.

Liberal

The Vice-Chair Liberal Alan Tonks

Could I ask you to come to a conclusion so we can get into the question period?

9:20 a.m.

Vice-President, Communications, Pharmaceuticals Division, Covidien

Stephen Littlejohn

I will, and I see that folks are reading through the comments, so I will stop. All I will say is that all these initiatives, including the efforts in the United States, will benefit Canada, and I will yield to the chair.

9:20 a.m.

Liberal

The Vice-Chair Liberal Alan Tonks

Thank you very much, Mr. Littlejohn, Mr. Hébert, and Mr. Goodhand.

We'll go to our round of questioning and ask Mr. Regan if he would lead off, please.

9:20 a.m.

Liberal

Geoff Regan Liberal Halifax West, NS

Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman, and thanks to the witnesses for being with us today. I know we all appreciate it.

Let me start with Mr. Littlejohn. We'll start with the last, so to speak, but the last shall be first, as they say. It's interesting, because you talk about the various sources of molybdenum-99, and one of the discussions we've been having is about what will be the future of medical isotopes and what kind of facility will be creating them in the future. What's your view on that? We've heard about various technologies. Is it your view that we require reactors for this, or ten years from now are we going to be getting medical isotopes from elsewhere instead?

9:20 a.m.

Vice-President, Communications, Pharmaceuticals Division, Covidien

Stephen Littlejohn

I'll answer that in several fashions. First, I'll say that I'm not an engineer, and I'll admit that immediately. I have high respect for the engineers. What I am told in regard to the various new technological alternatives, might they be cyclotrons or accelerators or PET technology, is that while they can make and deliver molybdenum-99--as I'm sure you've heard in other sessions of the committee--the principal issue around those is commercial viability and quantities. Also, there's the investment that would be required, and if not investment in a major big reactor in one big investment, you would have substantial investments at different hospitals, so you'd have to look at a change in the paradigm of investment into those technologies. But obviously folks are working on them, and those issues could very well be solved. I can't predict one way or the other on that.

However, that said, most predictions are that technetium-99m will clearly be around. The quantity might still be 30 million procedures, or it might be a little bit less or might be a little bit more going forward because of its unique and attractive combination of economics and clinical efficacy. In terms of the future, we look at it as short, medium, and long term. Short term we just discussed. Medium term, there are reactors in the world that are a little bit younger than the ones we have right now. For example, the reactor Maria was completely refurbished in the mid-nineties. There are some others that haven't really come on. There's a lot of discussion and we're looking at it.

Long term, there's a lot of discussion. I talked about the United States; in Europe there's talk in Belgium and there's talk in the Netherlands. I would say there's a lot of thinking going on. The EU has been putting a lot of work into thinking about this. Bottom line, I think the model of a global, interdependent supply chain is one that will be more sustainable in the future, rather than what you might call tied exclusive arrangements.

9:25 a.m.

Liberal

Geoff Regan Liberal Halifax West, NS

In view of the problems with that supply chain right now, how is Canada perceived in the world in view of the problems with the NRU and the challenges in repairing it? Considering that the Americans and the Europeans and others are looking at improving or increasing their own ability to create isotopes, where does Canada fit into the supply puzzle going forward?

9:25 a.m.

Vice-President, Communications, Pharmaceuticals Division, Covidien

Stephen Littlejohn

I think I'll start with the end of your questions on moving forward in terms of the supply puzzle. In our approach we work very hard to spread the moly equitably and fairly across the world so we can serve the maximum number of patients. Obviously, the presence of facilities on the continent reduces the time period of decay, thus meaning more quantity, as you can imagine, so that's a plus going forward.

I do think you're going to have a lot of initial international efforts, and because of the nature of this technology, it's better to have a number of routes being pursued at this time, so when the time comes patients can get the technetium that they need.

In terms of Canada, I can't speak for the how the world looks at it, but everything I've seen about the nature of the repairs that need to be done or are being done at NRU reminds me of when you're out in space and you've got to fix something, and you've got to create it right then and there, and it's incredibly intricate. They brought Apollo 13 home, so I think they'll bring the NRU home.

9:25 a.m.

Liberal

Geoff Regan Liberal Halifax West, NS

We need Tom Hanks, right?

9:25 a.m.

Vice-President, Communications, Pharmaceuticals Division, Covidien

Stephen Littlejohn

But the point is that the reactors are all old. I don't think it's anything unique to Canada or unique to HFR or unique to BR2. They're all old. This is just what happens. So you have to have admiration for the folks trying to fix them.

9:25 a.m.

Liberal

Geoff Regan Liberal Halifax West, NS

Okay, thank you.

Let me turn to Mr. Goodhand.

The expert panel obviously favours a multi-use option in terms of isotope production, to replace the NRU. I think your report calls on government to “expeditiously engage in the replacement of the NRU”. Last week we heard from Dr. Eric Turcotte, from the University of Sherbrooke, who expressed disappointment that we've seen delays and response from the minister to the expert panel review. . Do you share his concern?

9:25 a.m.

As an Individual

Peter Goodhand

I certainly look forward to a reply. I believe there is one coming, hopefully, in the not too distant future. It's four months since the report was filed. My primary concern will be to get a good, comprehensive response to it. I think when we said “expeditiously”, particularly as it relates to a new multi-purpose reactor, it's that seven to ten years' lag time from the decision to the implementation.

So we're actually looking over a long timeline. We need to make the decision, yes or no, within the next twelve months, and I prefer it not to be at the end of that twelve-month period.

9:25 a.m.

Liberal

Geoff Regan Liberal Halifax West, NS

You've led into my next question by talking about the lag time, because one of those concerns that you expressed was the issue, I think, of a gap, of not having a gap between the permanent shutdown of the NRU, whether that's in 2016 or later, and the start-up of a new replacement research reactor.

9:25 a.m.

Liberal

The Vice-Chair Liberal Alan Tonks

This will be the last question.

9:25 a.m.

Liberal

Geoff Regan Liberal Halifax West, NS

Okay.

The report indicated that the timeline to first production for the new technology would be 2015-2020, in that range, at an estimated cost of $500 million for a new multi-purpose reactor. What start date is that timeline based on? And would delaying a decision automatically mean a rise in that $500-million figure?

9:25 a.m.

As an Individual

Peter Goodhand

The range that we put on both the start time and the cost really comes back to the broader policy issues of what other elements of nuclear research and nuclear industry Canada wants to be involved in. The more functions you layer into the multi-purpose reactor, the higher the cost, the longer the build. If you took a relatively straightforward one that's used in another country, it would be a shorter timeframe and towards the lower end of the cost.

9:25 a.m.

Liberal

The Vice-Chair Liberal Alan Tonks

Okay, thank you, Mr. Goodhand.

Thank you, Mr. Regan.

Madame Brunelle, the next seven-minute round.

9:25 a.m.

Bloc

Paule Brunelle Bloc Trois-Rivières, QC

Hello, gentlemen, and thank you for coming.

I am primarily worried about the supply of isotopes for patients. One witness, Dr. Eric Turcotte, told us last week that with the Dutch reactor closing for repairs, we will have a 60% shortage of isotopes. I keep thinking of that; I am worried and I want to get some answers.

Covidien talks about more diversified supply. One of the recommendations from the expert panel was to adopt a supply strategy based on technological diversification. I would ask this question to all the witnesses. Are we talking about the same thing when we talk about more diversified supply? Are you talking about looking in other places? The expert panel talked about technological diversification, different approaches, investment in research and development, and other ways of producing isotopes.

9:30 a.m.

Vice-President, Communications, Pharmaceuticals Division, Covidien

Stephen Littlejohn

There are two diversities about which we're speaking. I think you have the diversity of the PET, cyclotrons, accelerators, and other methods of getting moly-99. As I said earlier, many of them have shown they can make it. The question is whether it's economical and commercial-scale, in terms of size. That is not to say avoid going there. I think, for the sake of patients, you have to look at all avenues there.

The other diversity we're speaking of is recognizing that technetium-99m will be with us for a while, and I have to defer to the doctor as to how the clinical community views its balance of supply, cost, and efficacy. I'll defer to them on that. In that respect, it's a matter of securing diverse supply from reactors, then understanding that the reactors use a processing facility. There's a distinction. On your first set of reactors, they irradiate the targets, and then you have a processing facility that dissolves the targets and extracts the 6% of moly-99 that's in the targets. There are a few processing facilities. We have one. IRE, in Belgium, has one. MDS Nordion has one. NTP, in South Africa.... And then when the time comes and ANSTO, Australia, comes on line, there'll be one there. So that's a critical component there.

So it's having that diversity apply. It's also really important to understand that in the reactors, when they irradiate, it's a batch process. When NRU and HFR were down they had more batch processes end to end, and this operated for 200 to 250 days a year.

What we're facing right now is the other reactors don't operate as often, so what you're trying to do is match the reactor schedules such that you can have some across the board, and then at certain points you have a little more. This is why, if you look from week to week, it's a saw-tooth kind of pattern. It depends which reactors are operating.