Evidence of meeting #58 for Natural Resources in the 41st Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was products.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Marianne Berube  Executive Director, Ontario Wood WORKS!
Daniel Archambault  Executive Vice-President and Chief Operating Officer, Industrial Products Division, Kruger Inc.
Iain Macdonald  Managing Director, Centre for Advanced Wood Processing, University of British Columbia, and Chair, Wood Manufacturing Council
John Innes  Professor and Dean, Faculty of Forestry, University of British Columbia
Guylaine Sirois  President, Réseau Forêt-Bois-Matériaux de Témiscouata
Roger Robitaille  Director General, Réseau Forêt-Bois-Matériaux de Témiscouata

May 12th, 2015 / 5:10 p.m.

Guylaine Sirois President, Réseau Forêt-Bois-Matériaux de Témiscouata

Good afternoon Chair and Vice-Chairs. I want to say a special hello to our member of Parliament, Guy Caron.

Members of the committee, my name is Guylaine Sirois and I am the chair of the Réseau Forêt-Bois-Matériaux de Témiscouata. I am also the elected warden of the Regional County Municipality of Témiscouata. With me are Roger Robitaille, the executive director, and Caroline Roy, the advisor for innovation and business development.

First, I would like to thank you for the opportunity to present our vision and our expectations for strategic innovation in the forest industry. We would also like to thank the Government of Canada for its support for our forest industry, our communities and our research centres in recent years. Without its help, we could not have achieved the same product diversification and value-added production results in such a short time.

Since 2008, our forest industry has taken the initiative and moved from producing commodities to producing high value-added products. This transition has improved its productivity, diversified its markets and maximized the value of its products. The industry has also become more nimble. As for the environment, our industry has generally been a good corporate citizen, further reducing its pollution emissions and investing in sustainable energy.

Our industry began producing new wood products such as cross laminated timber and three-dimensional poplar panelling. New reproduction methods such as somatic embryogenesis now enable us to produce trees that grow faster and have the desired physical properties. Optimizing harvesting processes has helped reduce the cost of wood. Growing poplars is revolutionizing the supply side of an entire sector of our industry. Our region is beginning to use biochemistry, as shown by the conversion of a pulp and paper mill into a biorefinery.

Research programs on forest extractives are also underway, with the goal of opening up a new sector in the forest industry. All this has been accomplished in part thanks to the support of the Canadian government and research centres such as FPInnovations, the Centre de recherche industriel du Québec and technology transfer centres such as SEREX in Quebec’s Matapedia Valley.

Nevertheless, much remains to be done for our forest industry to complete its transition into the new green economy. That is why the forest industry and socioeconomic organizations in the Regional County Municipality of Témiscouata established the Réseau in 2012. The Réseau supports innovation, product diversification and export-oriented commercialization in the local wood processing industry.

The first point we want to talk about is forestry innovation. Improving our knowledge of forests, producing trees with the desired characteristics, optimizing forest management techniques and identifying better operating strategies to reduce costs and make the most of the value chain will require much more research and development. The research program in the Lower St. Lawrence on ways of improving harvesting practices in the first commercial thinning of a plantation is a good example of cooperation between governments, universities and forestry companies. Both private and public forests need a helping hand.

With respect to innovation in processing, optimizing processes, modernizing equipment, producing next-generation wood construction materials and developing commercial biochemistry applications will require major investments in research, development, technology transfer and the acquisition of original and innovative technologies. Small and medium-sized businesses, because of their limited working capital, are often in particular need of support.

The third point has to do with innovation in forest biomass. The use of forest biomass as a fossil-fuel substitute for heating purposes has increased significantly in recent years.

However, conversion is expensive and the return on investment long. Eight years is fairly normal when burning wood chips or biomass pellets for heat. We believe the federal government should offer financial support to households and forestry sectors such as sugar maple growing that are engaged in these activities.

The use of other forms of forest biomass, such as biofuels, as an energy source will require a great deal more research and development.

The fourth point is on innovation in commercialization and exports.

Experience has taught us that research and development and commercialization are inextricably linked. By linking products with markets, the design and development of a new product moves more quickly, efficiently and cheaply. This integration leads to the creation and production of innovative and distinctive products.

Our companies cannot flourish in the local market alone. Local demand is quickly met, and the outcome is what we see today. Plants are not operating at capacity, and products enter the market more slowly. Exports remain the only solution, but small and medium-sized businesses often need to join forces to begin exporting.

These businesses make up most of the industry in our region, and they are particularly poorly equipped to deal with the export environment.

Even large corporations often face major delays between designing and distributing a product owing to non-tariff barriers and regulations imposed by the target country. We hope the federal government will continue to support our industry and the businesses that want to enter export markets.

The fifth point is on the spruce budworm epidemic.

The North Shore and eastern part of Quebec are currently suffering from an infestation of spruce budworm. This epidemic is expected to spread to the rest of Quebec, the Maritimes and, possibly, Ontario. The medium- and long-term damage to the economies of the affected communities and the forest industry cannot be underestimated.

We believe it is important for the federal government to play a more active role in combatting this epidemic and assisting the businesses and communities affected by it.

Finally, I would like to talk about the raison d'etre of the Réseau Forêt-Bois-Matériaux de Témiscouata. It is a non-profit organization established in 2012 by the forest industry and socio-economic organizations in the RCM of Témiscouata to support the development of that industry through innovation, new product development and market diversification.

Most of the area’s forestry stakeholders are now members of the Réseau. The organization is headquartered in the town of Témiscouata-sur-le-Lac and governed by a 12-person board of directors. The Réseau engages in networking, collaborative work, knowledge transfer and research. To that end, it relies on the services of universities, research centres and technology transfer centres, as well as private consultants.

We are prepared to answer your questions.

5:15 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Thank you, Ms. Sirois.

We go now to Mr. Leef, followed by Mr. Caron, and then Mr. Regan. I'm going to have to keep you tight on the time, so with questions and comments probably four minutes each.

5:15 p.m.

Conservative

Ryan Leef Conservative Yukon, YT

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you very much for your testimony. In respect to the spruce budworm, you mentioned the federal government could be involved in helping to combat the epidemic in that respect. I'm just wondering—

5:15 p.m.

President, Réseau Forêt-Bois-Matériaux de Témiscouata

Guylaine Sirois

A few years ago, when the epidemic reached its peak, both governments agreed to work on this problem. We would like to see efforts to combat this epidemic to continue to grow.

5:15 p.m.

Conservative

Ryan Leef Conservative Yukon, YT

Perfect.

Is there another opportunity as well with the forest resources that have been affected by the spruce budworm? I'm thinking of the pulp and paper biomass, anything like that.

5:15 p.m.

President, Réseau Forêt-Bois-Matériaux de Témiscouata

Guylaine Sirois

I will give the floor to Mr. Robitaille. He is our expert on the matter.

5:15 p.m.

Roger Robitaille Director General, Réseau Forêt-Bois-Matériaux de Témiscouata

Hello. My name is Roger Robitaille.

Pellet production projects to help us reclaim the biomass are currently at an advanced stage of review. Pellets are a way of using this primary resource that the pulp and paper industry cannot use.

In the meantime, these projects will help create jobs and keep people employed.

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Ryan Leef Conservative Yukon, YT

Merci.

It would seem that utilization is good so that we don't have the continued and dead standing forest where the spruce budworm can continue to go. At the same time we find some sort of economic opportunity for those communities in respect to biomass. If the federal government were involved with the provincial government in combatting it specifically, what efforts would you recommended or take? Would it be a fire smart program, or would it be some other sort of biochemical solution to this?

5:20 p.m.

Director General, Réseau Forêt-Bois-Matériaux de Témiscouata

Roger Robitaille

As far as forest protection is concerned, there is an existing organic spray program that helps slow the progression of the epidemic and gives us enough time to harvest those stands.

As far as federal government intervention is concerned, it would be great if it participated in the recovery, either by providing aid for the recovery of merchantable timber that can be sent to plants that are able to mill them, or by providing inventory support—because this will generate massive inventory—and infrastructure support for the new industries.

Lastly, this could be an opportunity to diversify the economy of the affected communities given that the spruce budworm epidemic is recurring. Spruce budworm is detected in our regions every 40 or 50 years. We should convert this into an opportunity to diversify the economy of many of the municipalities that very much depend on the forestry and wood processing. That would be a great way for the government to get involved and it would be greatly appreciated.

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Thank you, Mr. Leef.

We now go to Monsieur Caron, for about four minutes.

5:20 p.m.

NDP

Guy Caron NDP Rimouski-Neigette—Témiscouata—Les Basques, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, Ms. Sirois, Mr. Robitaille, and Ms. Roy. I am very pleased that you are here this afternoon.

Obviously, we cannot underestimate the importance of the forest for Témiscouata where 87% of the area is covered by forest.

During your presentation, you mentioned that businesses in Témiscouata cannot develop in a local context alone. A number of issues might influence their capacity to export and penetrate other markets. You indicated that SMEs in the region were especially ill-equipped for managing this environment.

Could you spend a bit of time elaborating on the tools the SMEs would need in order to thrive?

5:20 p.m.

President, Réseau Forêt-Bois-Matériaux de Témiscouata

Guylaine Sirois

Various programs could be put in place to deal with that.

You're talking about tools. Do you mean equipment or programs?

5:20 p.m.

NDP

Guy Caron NDP Rimouski-Neigette—Témiscouata—Les Basques, QC

Both. I want to know what the SMEs need to be able to manage this environment if they want to diversify and if we want to help them export their expertise and their products.

5:20 p.m.

Director General, Réseau Forêt-Bois-Matériaux de Témiscouata

Roger Robitaille

At this stage, we need help training sales staff, but we also need funding to develop distribution networks and niche markets, and to conduct in-depth business analyses. Naturally, there are agencies in Témiscouata such as the CFDC. These agencies are also able to help us, but they need a bit more money in order to be able to support us.

One approach we have taken so far is to consolidate the smaller businesses. We are currently trying to develop a system for what we call the finishing touches of the building, by consolidating three businesses. We are at the preliminary stage and we need a tremendous amount of support, not just financial but also in terms of expertise to help us distribute the finished product.

5:25 p.m.

NDP

Guy Caron NDP Rimouski-Neigette—Témiscouata—Les Basques, QC

Thank you very much.

I don't have very much time. I would like to shift gears and talk about the elimination or abolishment of the forestry job creation program.

According to the Témiscouata forestry co-operative, this is going to lead to nearly $700,000 in losses and result in 30 experienced employees being laid off. I know that this decision was made by the Government of Quebec, but—correct me if I'm wrong—this program was originally funded jointly by the federal government and the Government of Quebec, and the federal government quietly backed out.

What can the federal government do to help with investing in and supporting the development work that needs to be done in private forests in order for Témiscouata to be able to optimize its strength in the forestry?

5:25 p.m.

Director General, Réseau Forêt-Bois-Matériaux de Témiscouata

Roger Robitaille

The private forest development assistance program—and the same goes for public forests—began in 1972. It therefore has 40 years of experience. The turnaround time for the forest in our region is about 60 years. There are still about 20 or so years before the first cycle is complete.

The current challenges have to do with staff training and new technologies for the development and harvesting work. In fact, we are committed to using optimized and mechanized technology that helps us manage the forest not as an entity, but by single-tree selection. That way, we are kind of adopting the approach that has been used in Europe for a number of years now.

What we need now to make the transition is time. We have to make the transition in a way that is respectful to the employees and we have to train new staff. In the very short term, we need funding to finance the work. Single-tree harvesting is far more expensive than clear-cutting or overcutting. We are working on sustainable development, on optimizing the forest. Even though our local industry is already making an effort and a significant financial contribution, we still need the Canadian government to contribute financially, a bit like it used to in the past with what was called the eastern plan, which lasted about 12 years, I believe. There is expertise related to the work, training and carrying out the work.

I would also like to add that there used to be a forestry model in the area that unfortunately no longer exists. At the time, it was funded by the Canadian government. It literally served as a foundation, a research centre on the ground, for distributing expertise and knowledge on the ground.

5:25 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Caron.

Finally, we have Mr. Regan, for about four minutes.

5:25 p.m.

Liberal

Geoff Regan Liberal Halifax West, NS

Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.

I also want to thank the witnesses.

Can you speak to how the industry has become more flexible in light of the challenges it has faced in recent years?

5:25 p.m.

Director General, Réseau Forêt-Bois-Matériaux de Témiscouata

Roger Robitaille

As far as pulp and paper are concerned, we have the first plant here that is converting to a biorefinery. That plant used to depend on just one product, cardboard packaging. Not long from now, the plant will have two major products: the conventional product and chemical products, sugars. They will be used in different chemical applications.

Over the years, this business has also been incorporated in primary timber processing plants. In an effort to reduce cost and become more competitive, timber has been incorporated into pulp and paper processing in order to optimize the use of the fibre. I am still talking about the pull and push method.

All that is then carried over to the forest, where harvesting and preparing the trees are done according to the needs of the plants they supply. Everything is done with a view to meeting client needs.

Currently, we can say without hesitation that more than half of the primary resource harvested and headed to the sawmill in our area undergoes secondary processing. The resource is therefore given added value under different forms before the product hits the market.

The same goes for pulp and paper, thanks to the arrival of biorefining.

5:30 p.m.

Liberal

Geoff Regan Liberal Halifax West, NS

Thank you very much.

5:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Thank you.

The bells are going for votes.

I want to thank you very much for being with us as witnesses today. Thank you very much for your presentations, which we have copies of here. The information you've given us will be very helpful in our report.

Thank you to all members of the committee as well for your input today.

The meeting is adjourned.