Evidence of meeting #14 for Natural Resources in the 43rd Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was businesses.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Arun Alexander  Director General, North America Trade Policy Bureau, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development
Colin Barker  Director, Softwood Lumber Division, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development
Rosaline Kwan  Director General, Trade Sectors, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development
Michael Owen  Acting General Counsel and Executive Director, Softwood Lumber Litigation Division, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

1:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal James Maloney

Let's call the meeting to order.

I would like to thank everybody for arriving. We're a few minutes late.

The minister is here for an hour, but I think we'll go past two o'clock to make up the time we lost.

I want to welcome the minister.

As she pointed out, she was a member of this committee in the last Parliament. I enjoyed working with her then.

I should note that was one of the better sound checks. I have thoughts of music, monologue and doughnuts on my mind now. Thank you to those who were unique today.

I'm going to spare everybody the usual introduction about process, because there isn't a single person here today who doesn't know it. In the interest of time, I'll move on.

We are here today with Minister Ng, as a result of a motion by Mr. Zimmer that was tabled some time ago. So that we are reminded, as it gives us some context for today's discussion, the motion read as follows:

That, the Honourable Mary Ng, Minister of Small Business, Export Promotion and International Trade...be invited to appear before the committee as part of its ongoing study on Economic Recovery in the Forestry Sector...to provide critical information relating to the recent World Trade Organization ruling, as the government official who appeared...on Friday, October 30, 2020 was not able to respond to the question and suggested that Global Affairs Canada appear and answer that question at a future meeting.

That's just to contextualize our discussion today.

I will turn the floor over to you, Minister. Thank you once again for taking the time to be here.

February 26th, 2021 / 1:05 p.m.

Markham—Thornhill Ontario

Liberal

Mary Ng LiberalMinister of International Trade

Thank you so much, Mr. Chair.

Thank you all for the opportunity to appear today and provide you with an update on Canadian softwood lumber.

It is really terrific to be back here at the Standing Committee on Natural Resources. As I said earlier during the sound check, in 2018, I served on this committee as a member of Parliament and took part in a study on the forestry sector. It was clear to me then the importance of the forestry sector to our economy, for our workers and our environment, and that is just as true today.

The forestry sector supports over 200,000 jobs in communities across the country. In 2019, it contributed $23.7 billion to our economy, or 1% of Canada's total GDP.

Today I would like to touch on a few things: the ongoing softwood lumber litigation with the United States, our efforts to create greater opportunities abroad for Canada's softwood lumber and wood product exporters, and the role that this industry is playing in our trade diversification strategy.

Let me begin my appearance today by stating unequivocally that the duties imposed by the United States on Canadian softwood lumber are unwarranted and unfair, and they hurt workers and industry on both sides of the border.

Earlier this week, in Canada's first meeting with President Biden, Prime Minister Trudeau, my ministerial colleagues and our cabinet counterparts in the United States, I raised the issue of softwood lumber duties directly with the president.

I will also be speaking with my American counterpart, the U.S. Trade Representative, directly about this in our first meeting, once she's officially confirmed. The importance of this issue will be front and centre as we work with the new American administration in the months and years ahead.

Canada continues to strongly believe that a negotiated agreement with the U.S. is in both countries' best interests.

Canada continues to strongly believe that a negotiated agreement with the United States is in both countries' best interests.

We are not sitting idly by. We're taking a team Canada approach, working hand in hand with the softwood lumber industry and provincial and territorial partners on all fronts. We have launched a series of challenges against the initial U.S. duties on softwood lumber through both the WTO and the new NAFTA.

Throughout the multiple iterations of this dispute, we have consistently been awarded legal victories that clearly show our softwood industry is in full compliance with trade rules. While we will continue to pursue these legal avenues, considering our successful track record, we believe our U.S. counterparts will once again find that the most effective resolution to this dispute is a negotiated agreement.

I want all of you to know that our government's efforts go far beyond just the WTO to protect Canadian access to the U.S. softwood lumber market. In addition to U.S. softwood duties, the industry was facing other significant challenges, including fibre supply issues due to pine beetle damage and forest fires. When the pandemic struck, like many industries, the sector also saw a number of shutdowns.

Supporting the industry across government is what we had been doing over this last year. Like many other industries, the forestry sector has had to cope with challenges and restrictions. Yet through these challenges it has demonstrated its resilience and its importance for workers, the economy and, indeed, all Canadians.

It has been vital to our supply chains, producing components for essential household products, including PPE that Canadians have relied on throughout the pandemic, like medical gowns and non-medical masks.

It is heartening to know that the Canadian softwood lumber industry has almost fully recovered from the early challenges of COVID-19. Nearly all the 98 sawmills that closed last year as a result of the pandemic have restarted operations, restoring 96% of the more than 12,000 jobs affected.

Just as it stood by Canadians, our government has always stood by the sector, from emergency support measures like the business credit availability program to the softwood lumber action plan, which is an investment of $867 million to support our softwood lumber industry in response to U.S. import duties. This program has strengthened our Canadian forest sector firms, helping grow innovative technologies, boosting diversification and supporting thousands of good jobs from coast to coast to coast.

The swift actions of this government have allowed the forest sector to better weather the challenges they are facing today.

Trade diversification is an important commitment. It's our government's commitment to the forestry industry that goes far beyond the emergency supports I just talked about.

Our government's commitment to the forestry industry goes far beyond emergency supports.

As the Minister of Small Business, Export Promotion and International Trade, I'm determined to ensure that our industry and businesses have the tools they need to scale up and to grow across Canada and around the world.

As we lay the groundwork for an inclusive and sustainable long-term recovery, strengthening trade ties and supporting diversification in forestry and all our sectors will be key to generating clean growth and creating jobs.

Canada is proud to be the only G7 country holding a trade agreement with all other G7 partners. Through these agreements and others around the world, our businesses have preferential access to 1.5 billion customers globally.

Our trade diversification strategy maximizes opportunities for Canadian industry created by strengthening existing trade agreements while pursuing new ones. This strategy has set a goal of increasing Canadian exports by 50% by 2025.

For our industry partners, this means finding new and creative ways for them to forge new relationships and opportunities for growth. Through the trade diversification strategy, our government has invested $290 million over five years to help Canadian businesses export and grow in new markets by strengthening the trade commissioner service and enhancing the support it provides to Canadian exporters, including those in the forestry sector.

This isn't just about diversifying what we trade, but also who we trade with. Diversification and inclusive trade is creating opportunities for our world-class forestry sector to access those global markets while ensuring that all Canadians can benefit from its success.

We understand the reality of the forestry-based businesses, which are actively diversifying production towards innovative products such as biofuels and sustainable packaging made from fibre. This is about strengthening traditional forestry-based products and investing in innovation.

1:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal James Maloney

Minister, I apologize for interrupting.

In my haste, I forgot to mention one thing that has changed since you were last on the committee. Introductory remarks are supposed to be limited to five minutes. I apologize.

1:15 p.m.

Liberal

Mary Ng Liberal Markham—Thornhill, ON

Oh dear. Well, that means half of my remarks are done in five minutes. They were 10 minutes, so—

1:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal James Maloney

Yes, that was my mistake. I should have pointed that out.

1:15 p.m.

Conservative

Bob Zimmer Conservative Prince George—Peace River—Northern Rockies, BC

I have a point of order, Mr. Chair.

1:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal James Maloney

Go ahead, Mr. Zimmer.

1:15 p.m.

Conservative

Bob Zimmer Conservative Prince George—Peace River—Northern Rockies, BC

This gives me the great opportunity to ask the minister, since she was cut off—and I don't understand why she didn't understand how much time she had—if she would be willing to stay for the entire two hours. We could give her full time to give fulsome answers and her full opening statement.

1:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal James Maloney

That is a separate issue, Mr. Zimmer, but thank you for raising it.

The question at hand is, in the circumstances, are there any objections to allowing the minister a few more minutes to finish her opening remarks?

1:15 p.m.

Conservative

Bob Zimmer Conservative Prince George—Peace River—Northern Rockies, BC

Mr. Chair, I'd be willing, as long as the time for questions is extended to match that, so everybody gets their chance—

1:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal James Maloney

I can extend the time for questions for an extra five minutes, if that's what you're saying.

1:15 p.m.

Conservative

Bob Zimmer Conservative Prince George—Peace River—Northern Rockies, BC

I was asking that she stay for the whole two hours. That would certainly be better.

1:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal James Maloney

I appreciate that, Mr. Zimmer.

The question I am posing is with respect to the five minutes. Are you objecting to the extension of time for the opening remarks? That's all I really need to know.

1:15 p.m.

Liberal

Maninder Sidhu Liberal Brampton East, ON

On a point of order, Mr. Chair. I can give the minister some of my questioning time to finish her remarks, if that's okay with the minister.

1:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal James Maloney

Yes, Minister, carry on, and I apologize again. That was my oversight.

1:15 p.m.

Liberal

Mary Ng Liberal Markham—Thornhill, ON

Thank you so much, Mr. Chair. I'll pick up where I left off.

We are committed to supporting Canadian businesses as they develop partnerships for commercial applications of their innovations, raise capital, and tap into the new global value chains for their products.

Canada's ambitious and comprehensive trade policies are bringing Canadian industry to the world and bringing the world's investment to Canada. We are working to increase international competitiveness of our natural resource industries, including forestry.

Since 2015, the trade commissioner service has facilitated numerous forest-related investment projects to Canada, including into Quebec, Ontario, Alberta, New Brunswick and British Columbia.

Companies are helping generate growth and create jobs. They're leaders in achieving our goals for a more sustainable future.

Take for example, Sinar Mas from Indonesia. It has invested hundreds of millions of dollars to modernize paper mills in British Columbia, Saskatchewan and Nova Scotia, employing 3,000 Canadians. There is the SONAE Group from Portugal, which announced last year that they are investing $23 million to modernize its facility in Quebec, home of North America's largest particle board manufacturing facility.

These investments are coming from around the globe, from Finland, Japan, Belgium and Indonesia. The entire world is investing in Canadian softwood lumber and its innovative by-products.

The investments we are attracting from around the world and the growth those investments are bringing with them are no surprise. Canada's forestry sector's reputation is world renowned for its versatility and innovation, and perhaps most notably, in our current context, for its leadership in sustainability. Canada's forestry sector is the most sustainable in the world.

As I said earlier, and it bears repeating, the economy and the environment go hand in hand. Our government is committed to supporting our softwood lumber industry and protecting and promoting its reputation.

Our softwood lumber industry takes great pride in being a global leader in sustainable forest management and environmentally responsible forestry. Its commitment to sustainable development and environmental standards is going a long way to secure a more sustainable future for all Canadians. Working together, we will be able to reach our environmental target of net zero emissions by 2050.

Our forestry sector knows what we all know. The time to take action to protect the environment is now. It is not just the right thing to do; it is the smart thing to do.

A great example is the leadership in British Columbia. It has the tall wood building at UBC, the first mass wood, steel and concrete hybrid project in the world. It is taller than 14 storeys.

Another example is in Quebec, where the provincial government is the first in North America to support the construction of a tall mass timber building.

These kinds of projects offer incredible economic and environmental benefits. This project alone was equivalent to taking 500 cars off the road.

In conclusion, it is clear that we have so much to be proud of with our forestry sector and softwood lumber. Our industry shows leadership on so many fronts, from environmental stewardship to innovation and global trade, while supporting hard-working Canadians and economic growth.

Through all of the challenges facing the industry, our government has committed to continuing our work supporting this vital industry and standing up for the interests of Canadian workers.

We will continue to work closely with provinces, territories, industry and other stakeholders to support and grow the Canadian forestry sector.

Finally, allow me to reiterate here my personal commitment to use every opportunity to raise softwood lumber with my U.S. interlocutors and defend the interests of the Canadian forestry sector, forestry workers and industry supports across the country.

Thank you so much again for the invitation to appear today. I'm looking forward to your questions.

Thank you.

1:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal James Maloney

Thank you, Minister, for your remarks. Again, I give my apologies. In my haste to move things along quickly, I failed to acknowledge and thank the members of the department for attending today, as well. I'd like to express my thanks to them.

Mr. Zimmer, you now have the floor for six minutes.

1:20 p.m.

Conservative

Bob Zimmer Conservative Prince George—Peace River—Northern Rockies, BC

Thank you.

I'd like to first ask the minister if she would be willing to stay for the entire two hours to answer questions.

1:20 p.m.

Liberal

Mary Ng Liberal Markham—Thornhill, ON

I thank the honourable member for that invitation. I am certainly very pleased to respond to questions in the time that we had scheduled for me to be here. I think—

1:20 p.m.

Conservative

Bob Zimmer Conservative Prince George—Peace River—Northern Rockies, BC

Okay. I'll get right to my questions, then. Thank you, Minister.

It's been a long time coming since my initial questions in October 2020 were unanswered regarding the softwood lumber agreement. In 2015, your government stated it was going to get a softwood lumber agreement signed within its first 100 days. We then saw then-president Obama attend our Parliament, but there was no agreement. We have since seen record tariffs on our Canadian lumber producers of up to 20%—and over 20%, actually.

From an article in December 2019, that inaction cost Canada over 140,000 jobs. That was pre-COVID. They're logging, trucking and mill jobs, including many in my own northern B.C. communities of Mackenzie, Prince George, Fort St. John and many others. It cost $4 billion in revenue for B.C. alone. We saw that in August 2020, which you referred to, the WTO unanimously ruled with Canada, then the U.S. appealed that decision in September 2020.

I questioned the bureaucrats in October 2020 if they could update us on this important file. Now I'm going to be more specific, understanding that you recently had a bilateral meeting with the new Biden administration. Was the softwood lumber agreement or tariffs on softwood lumber specifically brought up in the bilateral meeting between you, the Prime Minister and President Biden? There was no public mention of that, or that our forest sector at all had been discussed publicly, for that matter.

1:20 p.m.

Liberal

Mary Ng Liberal Markham—Thornhill, ON

I want to thank the honourable member for that important question.

Let me start by saying how important the forestry sector is, as you rightly pointed out. Whether it is sawmills, trucking or logging and all of the incredible businesses, Canadians and workers that this sector supports, it's very important. I want the industry to know how important they are to our government—

1:20 p.m.

Conservative

Bob Zimmer Conservative Prince George—Peace River—Northern Rockies, BC

Minister, the question is whether the softwood lumber agreement was discussed in the bilateral meeting.

My time is very short. That's why I need you to answer the question.

1:20 p.m.

Liberal

Mary Ng Liberal Markham—Thornhill, ON

I raised softwood lumber.

1:25 p.m.

Conservative

Bob Zimmer Conservative Prince George—Peace River—Northern Rockies, BC

Okay. Did you talk about the softwood lumber—

1:25 p.m.

Bloc

Mario Simard Bloc Jonquière, QC

Sorry, Mr. Chair. Mr. Zimmer's microphone isn't working properly. There's no interpretation at this time.