Natural Resources Committee on Oct. 30th, 2023

[Charlie Angus, NDP, Timmins—James Bay, ON]

[Inaudible—Editor] because Mr. [Inaudible—Editor] continues to interrupt. I want to get clarity on this.

[Jeremy Patzer, Conservative, Cypress Hills—Grasslands, SK]

Point of order.

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

Mr. Patzer, hold on one second.

Mr. Angus, I've heard. I'm going to Mr. Patzer on a point of order while I get clarity on your point of order, if that's okay, Mr. Angus.

[Charlie Angus, NDP, Timmins—James Bay, ON]

Absolutely, thank you.

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

Thank you.

Go ahead on the point of order.

[Jeremy Patzer, Conservative, Cypress Hills—Grasslands, SK]

Thank you.

There was a speaking order to the amendment and, for something as substantive as Mr. Angus is trying to do, when he has his turn on the speaking order, that point is when he can discuss what exactly it is he's trying to do.

That point of order—correct me if I'm wrong—cannot be used to do what he is trying to do, which is ruling her amendment out of order.

When he wants to have his turn to speak, he can put his hand up and he can join the speaking list, but you already do have a speaking list, and if we're going to get into substantive debate on this amendment, we need to follow that speaking list.

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

Thank you, Mr. Patzer.

I think he did raise a valid point, and I've asked the clerk for clarity on that. I did want to hear what his point of order was just because it was a procedural question that he asked a point of order on, but I do appreciate your advising as well on the procedure, and we'll try to get some further clarity.

Thank you for the points of order.

[Marc Serré, Liberal, Nickel Belt, ON]

I have a point of order, Mr. Chair.

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

Yes, go ahead on your point of order.

[Marc Serré, Liberal, Nickel Belt, ON]

I just want to be very specific. We have a motion on the floor and then we have an amendment to the motion. Can we ask the clerk if this is admissible, yes or no, before we go ahead?

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

Mr. Serré, on that point of order, it's my understanding that Ms. Stubbs has added those items to these items as additional points of an amendment that is added on to this.

Ms. Stubbs, from my understanding you've added additional points to the existing motion that's on the floor.

[Shannon Stubbs, Conservative, Lakeland, AB]

What I just did was move an amendment to the programming schedule that the NDP-Liberals brought to this table today.

What Charlie is claiming is that I am moving the same motion that I spoke to on October 25. It is materially not the same. What I am proposing right now is an amendment to the programming motion brought by the NDP-Liberals to dictate every single thing about this committee. It is not the same.

If the clerk needs it, I can certainly provide both versions of the motion that I moved on the 25th—

[Charlie Angus, NDP, Timmins—James Bay, ON]

I have a point of order.

[Shannon Stubbs, Conservative, Lakeland, AB]

—and the amendment that I'm moving today to the Liberals' program.

Can I finish my sentence just for once today?

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

You can, but he has a point of order. I do need to acknowledge him.

[Shannon Stubbs, Conservative, Lakeland, AB]

I know what I'm doing, and I can explain it.

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

I know, but one second.

Go ahead, Mr. Angus, on the point of order.

[Charlie Angus, NDP, Timmins—James Bay, ON]

Throughout this, Ms. Stubbs has been mis-characterizing deliberately that this motion was brought by the NDP and it wasn't. We're trying to debate it. This was brought by the Liberals.

[Shannon Stubbs, Conservative, Lakeland, AB]

Your coalition partners.

[Charlie Angus, NDP, Timmins—James Bay, ON]

We're going to have an issue of basic respect here. If she's going to continue to throw in these kinds of comments, I think you have to call her out. The NDP did not bring this motion. We're trying to debate this motion. We're being shut down from these constant games that are being played, but it is a Liberal motion.

Chair, you need to keep reminding her so she doesn't use this in a way that misrepresents what this is.

Pardon the interruption.

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

Thank you, Mr. Angus, for your point of order.

Just as a reference for colleagues, it was a motion brought forward by the Liberal member, Mr. Sorbara, and that's what we've been debating from the onset of this meeting. We have been asked by members, and I think Ms. Stubbs also just asked, for advice from the clerk on this issue. We'll go to the clerk to get his comments on the question that was raised by Ms. Stubbs.

[Jeremy Patzer, Conservative, Cypress Hills—Grasslands, SK]

Mr. Chair, she didn't ask for advice from the clerk. She knows what she's doing.

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

Mr. Serré did ask for advice from the clerk specifically to be clear on what was stated in her amendment and how it pertains to the motion on hand.

Ms. Stubbs, for clarity, can you advise us as to where your amendment would be inserted in the motion that's on the floor? Where are you adding the insertion as an amendment specifically to the motion on the floor so the interpreters can follow along, but also so the clerk can ensure that your amendment is tabled appropriately within the existing motion.

If you could provide that clarity, it would be much appreciated just so we can ensure that it is presented properly.

[Shannon Stubbs, Conservative, Lakeland, AB]

Thank you, Chair. I appreciate that.

Did I get all the way through the amendment? It's hard to tell now at this point.

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

I believe you did, but that question was raised on a point of order once you were done.