Natural Resources Committee on Oct. 30th, 2023

[Charlie Angus, NDP, Timmins—James Bay, ON]

Absolutely. I'll be very straightforward, Mr. Chair.

I believe I asked you in the previous meeting about the speaking order. I was on the order, and then today, I believe I began on the order.

Do I still have the floor? I just want to make sure, in all the shemozzle that's been going on, whether or not I still have the floor.

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

Thank you, Mr. Angus, for your point of order—

[Jeremy Patzer, Conservative, Cypress Hills—Grasslands, SK]

On that point of order....

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

I'm going to respond to Mr. Angus first.

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

I think he wants to address the point of order.

[Jeremy Patzer, Conservative, Cypress Hills—Grasslands, SK]

It's on the point of order.

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

No. The Chair would like to respond to the point of order, and then you can provide a point of order.

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

The member has the floor.

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

Mr. Angus, you have the floor.

[Charlie Angus, NDP, Timmins—James Bay, ON]

Thank you.

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

Yes, but now you can go to the point of order.

[Jeremy Patzer, Conservative, Cypress Hills—Grasslands, SK]

If I recall, the meeting last week was suspended. Therefore, the member who had the floor at the end of the meeting, who was a Conservative member—

[An hon. member]

No.

[Jeremy Patzer, Conservative, Cypress Hills—Grasslands, SK]

—should still have the floor. That's the way it works. It was a suspension. You did not adjourn the meeting. If you had adjourned the meeting, that would have been completely different, because that was something that happened previously, but because you suspended the meeting, it's a continuation of the meeting.

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

Mr. Patzer, on your point of order, are you referring to a specific standing order on the point of order? If you could clearly identify what that standing order is....

It was provided that Mr. Angus had the floor at the previous meeting, and we continued on into today's meeting with Mr. Angus on the floor.

That is the chair's ruling. If you would like to challenge the chair, I will leave that up to you.

[Charlie Angus, NDP, Timmins—James Bay, ON]

On a point of order, you have ruled on this, so for Mr. Patzer to appear and then make false claims.... A ruling was made that I have the floor—

[Jeremy Patzer, Conservative, Cypress Hills—Grasslands, SK]

I have a point of order.

[Charlie Angus, NDP, Timmins—James Bay, ON]

If he does not want to accept your ruling.... You've already ruled on it, so this is not up for debate.

[Jeremy Patzer, Conservative, Cypress Hills—Grasslands, SK]

I have a point of order.

[Charlie Angus, NDP, Timmins—James Bay, ON]

You're overruled. You've been challenging the rules.

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

Thank you, Mr. Angus.

Yes, I ruled on it and Mr. Angus has the floor, but we have a point of order from Mr. Patzer.

[Jeremy Patzer, Conservative, Cypress Hills—Grasslands, SK]

For him to say I'm making a false claim insinuates that I'm lying. You know, Mr. Chair, he is not actually allowed to do that.

At the end of the last meeting, there was a Conservative member who had the floor—it was not Mr. Angus—so it's pretty straightforward.

[Colin Carrie, Conservative, Oshawa, ON]

I have a point of order.

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

Mr. Patzer, it's been dealt with. The chair has made the ruling. If you'd like to challenge the chair, you can do so.

[Shannon Stubbs, Conservative, Lakeland, AB]

We don't want to challenge you. We want you to enforce the rules.