Natural Resources Committee on Oct. 30th, 2023

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

I call this meeting to order.

Welcome back to meeting number 80 of the House of Commons Standing Committee on Natural Resources.

Today we are meeting in public to discuss committee business.

In accordance with our routine motion, I am informing the committee that all remote participants have completed the required connection tests in advance of the meeting. I think we're good.

[Mario Simard, Bloc, Jonquière, QC]

Mr. Chair, I have a question regarding the Standing Orders.

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

Just one second, I think we have a point of order.

[Mario Simard, Bloc, Jonquière, QC]

I'd like to know which Conservative members are currently voting in committee. I'd like to say that I object to allowing MPs who aren't voting members to be on the speaking list. I think that's consistent with our procedures. I'd like to have that simple piece of information: who are the voting members?

I want to say from the outset that I'm going to object to allowing MPs who aren't voting members to speak.

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

Thank you, Monsieur Simard.

The voting members for the Conservative Party are Mr. Earl Dreeshen, Mr. Ted Falk, Mr. Jeremy Patzer and Ms. Shannon Stubbs.

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

Sorry, Chair, but I don't think that's correct. I have a point of order.

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

Monsieur Simard, have you got it? Is it clear?

Okay, thank you.

Mr. Angus, you also had a point of order.

[Charlie Angus, NDP, Timmins—James Bay, ON]

Yes.

Just at the beginning, Chair, we are debating and discussing a very important motion, which is making sure that labour and workers have their rights heard on the energy transition.

We recognize that we have Gil McGowan, president of the Alberta Federation of Labour here, and George Soule, who represents the Steelworkers.

These are people whose members lives are on the line, and they are expecting us to deliver and act responsibly. I would put all members on notice that we need to remember why we're here. We're here for the workers, for the environment, for energy transition that works for everyone and doesn't leave people behind.

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

Thank you, Mr. Angus.

Ms. Stubbs, on a point of order.

[Shannon Stubbs, Conservative, Lakeland, AB]

Thank you, Chair.

I have a point of order, of course, that is relevant to the point of order that the member just made.

Certainly I don't think we have to have a contest here about who is more passionate or more able or more consistent or more committed to advancing, expanding and protecting the livelihoods and the lives and the standard of living of—I don't know why you have your mike on to cut me off, since he just went on for a long time.

I'm going to finish my comments, if you don't mind.

I don't think we have—

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

If you could, on the point of order.

[Some hon. members]

Oh, oh!

[Julie Dabrusin, Liberal, Toronto—Danforth, ON]

I have a point of order.

[Some hon. members]

Oh, oh!

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

Order. We have a point of order on the point of order.

[Julie Dabrusin, Liberal, Toronto—Danforth, ON]

Ms. Dabrusin, on the point of order.

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

But I have a point of order.

[Shannon Stubbs, Conservative, Lakeland, AB]

I did not finish my point of order.

[An hon. member]

But I have a point of order on that point of order.

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

Hold on. Ms. Dabrusin has a point of order.

[Julie Dabrusin, Liberal, Toronto—Danforth, ON]

Ms. Stubbs, on your—

[Shannon Stubbs, Conservative, Lakeland, AB]

My point of order is on Charlie's—

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

I know, but Ms. Dabrusin has a point of order, so we'll go to Ms. Dabrusin.

[Shannon Stubbs, Conservative, Lakeland, AB]

How is it that Charlie can finish his point of order, but I can't finish mine?

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

I have a point of order on Julie's point of order.