Evidence of meeting #6 for Official Languages in the 39th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was report.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Richard Smith  Vice-President, Greater Quebec Movement
Jean-Rodrigue Paré  Committee Researcher
Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Graeme Truelove

10:45 a.m.

Bloc

Raymond Gravel Bloc Repentigny, QC

We have been talking about integrated schools and integrated school boards.

In the past, in Quebec, creed-based school boards, for instance Catholic or Protestant school boards, would often discriminate against non- Catholics or non-Protestants.

Today, I believe that the way we pursue language issues is less discriminatory. In fact, we allow for everyone, anglophones and francophones alike, to preserve their respective languages.

I'm making a simple comment. I think we resolved the problem when we took religion out of the school system, because at the time, there was real discrimination against both francophones and anglophones.

10:45 a.m.

Liberal

Francis Scarpaleggia Liberal Lac-Saint-Louis, QC

May I intervene on that subject?

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Steven Blaney

First we'll allow the witness to answer.

Mr. Smith, the floor is yours.

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Vice-President, Greater Quebec Movement

Richard Smith

In some ways it was a step forward because we enjoyed the same right as other francophone minorities across the country, but in other ways it's a step back because there used to be more interaction as Catholics. Now it's this is the English side, that is the French side.

I would point to Northern Ireland, where, ironically, they use the same language, be it the Irish Catholic nationalists or the Protestant minority, yet look at the result. There's an old joke in Ireland that two men are in a pub, another man comes in, and the two men ask, “Are you a Catholic or are you a Protestant?” And he says, “I'm an atheist.” They say, “Yeah, yeah, yeah, but are you a Catholic atheist or a Protestant atheist?”

That's Quebec. That's it. What is an anglophone, what is a francophone...?

So whatever basis you use to start to separate these kids could have a result down the road. And as I mentioned, and I'll mention once again, I don't think everything is perfect. At some point you'll see the results of these segregated institutions if you're successful in getting a “yes” vote, because the anglophone institutions help create a feeling of separateness that will lead them to push for partition of Quebec. I don't support the partition of Quebec, but I'm telling you, I live amongst those people. That's the feeling. They will support partition.

So at some point, separate schools--there will be a cost to Quebec as a whole.

10:45 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Steven Blaney

Thank you.

The chair made a slight procedural change.

Mr. Scarpaleggia, please be more concise.

10:45 a.m.

Liberal

Francis Scarpaleggia Liberal Lac-Saint-Louis, QC

I will only be two seconds. I want to state a fact.

I do not necessarily want to speak on the issue of the secularization of schools. However, at one time, both anglophones and francophones from one single Catholic school board shared one single school.

I assume that this is similar to the model that Mr. Smith is endorsing. It was just a fact...

10:45 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Steven Blaney

Excellent. Thank you very much, Mr. Scarpaleggia. We can continue the conversation.

To our witness, I wish to thank you for sharing the perspective of one part of the anglophone community living in Quebec.

Mr. Petit.

10:45 a.m.

Conservative

Daniel Petit Conservative Charlesbourg—Haute-Saint-Charles, QC

The gentleman talked about two... He referred to newspaper articles. He said that they were sent to the clerk.

10:45 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Steven Blaney

There are three articles.

10:45 a.m.

Conservative

Daniel Petit Conservative Charlesbourg—Haute-Saint-Charles, QC

I do not have them.

10:45 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Steven Blaney

They were distributed.

10:45 a.m.

Conservative

Daniel Petit Conservative Charlesbourg—Haute-Saint-Charles, QC

I, for one, have only this.

10:45 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Steven Blaney

Very well. We will double check.

Three articles were distributed to all members of the committee.

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Conservative

Daniel Petit Conservative Charlesbourg—Haute-Saint-Charles, QC

I'm told that there are three articles. I'd like to have them.

10:45 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Steven Blaney

Mr. Smith, just one moment please.

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Vice-President, Greater Quebec Movement

Richard Smith

I have just a point of information.

10:45 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Steven Blaney

Yes.

10:45 a.m.

Vice-President, Greater Quebec Movement

Richard Smith

The articles are all typed in Microsoft Word. I sent them as I originally typed them, before publication, so they should be available to everybody in French and English.

10:45 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Steven Blaney

They were sent by email. Here they are.

Thank you.

The meeting is adjourned.