Evidence of meeting #24 for Official Languages in the 43rd Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was funding.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Clerk of the Committee  Ms. Nancy Vohl
Sheila Risbud  President, Association canadienne-française de l'Alberta
Alexandre Cédric Doucet  President, Société de l'Acadie du Nouveau-Brunswick

3:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Emmanuel Dubourg

I call this meeting to order.

Welcome to the 24th meeting of the Standing Committee on Official Languages. Today's meeting is taking place in a hybrid format, pursuant to the motion adopted by the House on January 25, 2020.

The committee will spend the first hour on a briefing on the Government of Canada's public reform document for the modernization of the Official Languages Act. The committee will spend the second hour on its study of the government measures to protect and promote French in Quebec and in Canada.

This is a reminder that all comments by members and witnesses should be addressed through the chair.

Unless there are exceptional circumstances, the use of a headset with a boom microphone is mandatory for everyone participating remotely.

I would now like to welcome the witnesses. With us for the first hour is the Honourable Mélanie Joly, the member for Ahuntsic—Cartierville and the Minister of Official Languages, as well as Denis Racine, director general of the official languages branch at Canadian Heritage.

I see someone's hand is raised. Before we hear from the minister, I'm going to give the floor to Mrs. Lalonde.

3:35 p.m.

Liberal

Marie-France Lalonde Liberal Orléans, ON

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I'll make it quick. I want to raise a deeply concerning issue that has clearly been making headlines these past few days. I am talking about Black Monday at Laurentian University.

On behalf of everyone, I think, including Mr. Lefebvre, Mr. Serré and other members with whom I've had the pleasure of speaking, I want to share a letter, in both official languages, that the minister wrote to her counterparts in the Ontario government, specifically Mr. Romano and Ms. Mulroney. I think it's important in light of what's happening. I will send it to the clerk right away.

It would be appreciated if the clerk could send it out to the committee members.

3:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Emmanuel Dubourg

We will now carry on.

Minister and Mr. Racine, you have seven and a half minutes for your opening statement. Committee members will then have an opportunity to ask you questions.

Please go ahead, Minister.

3:35 p.m.

Ahuntsic-Cartierville Québec

Liberal

Mélanie Joly LiberalMinister of Official Languages

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

It's a pleasure to be here, and I'm glad to see you are healthy.

Thank you, honourable members. I'm pleased to have this opportunity, so thank you for inviting me. I hope you are all healthy as well. I'm joining you from Montreal.

As you know, on February 19, I presented a public reform document for the modernization of the Official Languages Act, entitled “English and French: Towards a Substantive Equality of Official Languages in Canada”. A lot has changed in a year, and when confronted with change, we can either stand in its way or be open to the opportunities. The Canada we know was shaped by people who seized opportunity in a changing world. Canada takes pride in being a diverse country, a bilingual country.

Having two official languages is one of our greatest strengths. The French language is alive and well in North America because Canadians—specifically, Quebeckers, Acadians and French speakers all over the country—made a commitment to protect it throughout our history. More than 50 years ago, we chose a modern vision of our country, a country where our two official languages would play a prominent role. The Official Languages Act gave millions of francophones from coast to coast to coast the right to access federal services in their language. English-speaking Quebeckers also have that right, and young people in official language minority communities have the right to attend school in their mother tongue.

In Canada, language is more than an abstract notion. It is our connection to the past and the vehicle for telling our stories. That is true not just of English and French, but also of indigenous languages, which our language policies must take into account.

Our world is changing. Globalization has imposed certain languages to facilitate trade. At the same time, international trade and digital technologies are promoting the use of English. In the face of these changes, our two official languages are not on equal footing. There are eight million francophones in Canada, within North America, a region of over 360 million inhabitants who are almost exclusively anglophone. It is our responsibility to protect French and to offer a modernized vision of our linguistic duality. We must take action so that all Canadians can identify with the objectives of the Official Languages Act. Our two official languages must stand on more equal footing. The government has a responsibility to ensure that everyone in the country has an opportunity to learn French, speak French and live in French, as is the case for English.

For a language to be living, it must have a strong culture. Francophones must be able to make their voices heard, especially in the digital world, where English is dominant. To that end, federal cultural institutions must promote French content.

The government also recognizes that, in order to protect and promote French, the private sector must be mobilized. People should have the right to be served and to work in French in businesses under federal jurisdiction in Quebec and in regions of the country with a strong francophone presence. A committee of experts has already been created to examine how best to formally recognize these rights and provide recourse under federal legislation, in consultation with the affected sectors.

Nevertheless, when it comes to respecting bilingualism in the workplace and an individual's right to work in the official language of their choice, the federal public service must lead by example. The government will put forward concrete measures to ensure greater compliance with language obligations.

The English-speaking community in Quebec must be able to protect its rights and also to have access to key institutions that are clearly vital to the future of the community. We will stand by their side.

We will also be strengthening the powers of the Commissioner of Official Languages and continuing to promote the use of French abroad, particularly in international organizations. The Government of Canada will make it its duty to attract and facilitate francophone immigration outside Quebec.

Moreover, all of our institutions must be bilingual, including the country's highest court. The Official Languages Act [Technical difficulty—Editor], at the Supreme Court, judges must be bilingual. In our efforts to modernize the act, we will promote bilingualism by eliminating waiting lists for French immersion programs. We will also continue to support communities and all those looking to assert their constitutional language rights.

Our government's vision is rooted in the studies conducted by this committee, so I thank you. I also want to thank you for examining the impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on the government's ability to deliver information in both official languages. I know you met with my colleague Mr. Duclos, the President of the Treasury Board, and Health Canada officials on the subject, so I, too, would be happy to answer any questions you may have in that connection.

Lastly, I want to thank the department official who is with me today, Denis Racine. He can answer more specific questions related to the official languages branch at Canadian Heritage.

Thank you, all.

It's going to be a pleasure to answer your questions.

3:40 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Emmanuel Dubourg

Thank you for your opening statement, Minister.

Will now begin the first round of questions with Mr. Blaney, the committee's vice-chair.

Mr. Blaney, you may go ahead.

April 13th, 2021 / 3:40 p.m.

Conservative

Steven Blaney Conservative Bellechasse—Les Etchemins—Lévis, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I will be sharing my time with our heritage critic, Mr. Rayes.

Go ahead, Mr. Rayes.

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

Alain Rayes Conservative Richmond—Arthabaska, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank you, as well, to my fellow member Steven Blaney for giving me this opportunity to speak with the minister, since the committee is lucky enough to have her for a whole hour.

Ms. Joly, thank you for being here to answer the committee members' questions. I think we all agree that anglophone and francophone minority communities around the country are important. No one can be against virtue, so we agree with the fine statements you have been making here and there, in various forums.

I have a few simple questions for you. I would ask that you keep your answers brief, so that I don't have to interrupt you, given the limited amount of time I have.

How long has your party been in power?

3:45 p.m.

Liberal

Mélanie Joly Liberal Ahuntsic-Cartierville, QC

I'm not sure why the honourable member is asking that when he knows the answer.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Alain Rayes Conservative Richmond—Arthabaska, QC

I'd like to hear it from you.

Has it been just over five years, coming up on six years that you've been in power?

3:45 p.m.

Liberal

Mélanie Joly Liberal Ahuntsic-Cartierville, QC

What do you think?

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Alain Rayes Conservative Richmond—Arthabaska, QC

Could you please confirm how long?

3:45 p.m.

Liberal

Mélanie Joly Liberal Ahuntsic-Cartierville, QC

It's public information.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Alain Rayes Conservative Richmond—Arthabaska, QC

That's fine. Thank you.

As minister, you've been mandated to bring forward legislation on both official languages. In recent years, most of the country's francophone advocacy groups, the Commissioner of Official Languages and the Senate have all been consulted on the issue and released reports.

Would you agree with that statement?

3:45 p.m.

Liberal

Mélanie Joly Liberal Ahuntsic-Cartierville, QC

Yes, I would agree.

I would also agree that the honourable member is asking me a question to basically find out whether we will be introducing a bill or not.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Alain Rayes Conservative Richmond—Arthabaska, QC

No.

Mr. Chair—

3:45 p.m.

Liberal

Mélanie Joly Liberal Ahuntsic-Cartierville, QC

We will be introducing a bill, but I just want to let the honourable member know that—

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Alain Rayes Conservative Richmond—Arthabaska, QC

Mr. Chair—

3:45 p.m.

Liberal

Mélanie Joly Liberal Ahuntsic-Cartierville, QC

I would like to know what the honourable member thinks of the reform document we presented. We have yet to hear the Conservative Party's position on it.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Alain Rayes Conservative Richmond—Arthabaska, QC

Mr. Chair, I have the privilege of asking questions, not the minister.

3:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Emmanuel Dubourg

Pardon me. To help the discussion flow better, please give the minister time to answer and the interpreters time to do their job. Kindly wait your turns, both of you.

You may carry on, Mr. Rayes.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Alain Rayes Conservative Richmond—Arthabaska, QC

Thank you.

I hope I won't lose any time because the minister interrupted me.

Minister, did you have a mandate to introduce legislation on both official languages, yes or no?

3:45 p.m.

Liberal

Mélanie Joly Liberal Ahuntsic-Cartierville, QC

Yes, and I still do under the mandate letter given to me by the Prime Minister.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Alain Rayes Conservative Richmond—Arthabaska, QC

Great. Thank you.

What is happening in Ontario is appalling, as we all know. One of your fellow Liberals even mentioned a letter you sent to the Government of Ontario underscoring the importance of Laurentian University, a bilingual university, and its French-language programming.

Tangibly speaking, what have you done to support Laurentian University and its French-language programming in this situation?

3:45 p.m.

Liberal

Mélanie Joly Liberal Ahuntsic-Cartierville, QC

We've actually provided $12 million to Laurentian University in recent years. My department official Denis Racine can give you more information on that if you'd like, but one thing is for sure. I had the opportunity to speak with Ontario's Minister of Education and Minister of Francophone Affairs just two weeks ago and I asked them what their plan was, given the need to act quickly on this issue.

What I want the committee members and all those watching the proceedings today to know is—

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Alain Rayes Conservative Richmond—Arthabaska, QC

Thank you, Minister. That answers my question.

I have a question about the $12 million.