Evidence of meeting #22 for Official Languages in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was draft.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

Martin-Laforge  Director General, Talking. Advocating. Living in Quebec.
Sandilands  Lawyer, Talking. Advocating. Living in Quebec.
Cardinal  Emeritus Professor, University of Ottawa, As an Individual
Krajewski  Chair, Réseau pour le développement de l'alphabétisme et des compétences
Desgagné  Executive Director, Réseau pour le développement de l'alphabétisme et des compétences

The Chair Liberal Yvan Baker

Welcome to meeting number 22 of the Standing Committee on Official Languages.

Pursuant to Standing Order 108(3)(f) and the order of reference of Tuesday, December 9, 2025, we're resuming consideration of the official languages regulations.

I'd now like to welcome our special guests. From “Talking. Advocating. Living in Quebec.” we have Sylvia Martin-Laforge, who's the director general, and Marion Sandilands, who's a lawyer.

You'll have five minutes between you for your opening statement, and then we'll proceed to a period of questions with members of Parliament.

Ms. Martin-Laforge, it's over to you for five minutes.

Sylvia Martin-Laforge Director General, Talking. Advocating. Living in Quebec.

Thank you, Chair and members of the committee, for the opportunity to appear before you today as part of your review of the proposed regulations related to part VII of the Official Languages Act.

You've introduced me, Sylvia Martin-Laforge, as the director of TALQ. It's an organization representing the English-speaking community in matters of public policy and governance. Our focus is on legislation, federal funding frameworks and intergovernmental agreements that shape the vitality and sustainability of our community. Joining me today is our counsel, Marion Sandilands.

Before turning to the substance of our remarks, I would like to acknowledge the extensive and good-faith efforts undertaken by the Treasury Board Secretariat to consult TALQ and other stakeholders from the English-speaking community during the drafting of these regulations. The engagement has been meaningful, and we recognize the effort.

TALQ welcomes the draft regulations. We didn't welcome the act, but we're here to say that we welcome these draft regulations. They introduce long-needed structure and procedural discipline to part VII, making it more difficult for federal institutions to overlook their obligations. By requiring a part VII analysis at key decision points—when programs are created, renewed, modified, ended or transferred—the regulations improve visibility and accountability for Parliament and for the Commissioner of Official Languages.

However, our core message today is this. The regulations operationalize process, not outcomes. In doing so, they expose structural gaps within part VII of the act, gaps that Parliament should address during the statutory review.

The regulations require institutions to analyze impacts, identify affected communities, consult stakeholders and document their reasoning. What they do not require is a demonstrable result. A department may fully comply with every procedural requirement and yet leave conditions on the ground unchanged. That is not a flaw in the regulations. It reflects a structural limitation of the act. The regulations can discipline decision-making, but they cannot compel measurable improvements in community vitality.

This issue is particularly significant in Quebec, because Quebec is unique under part VII. It is the only province where the federal government must simultaneously protect and promote French as a minority language in Canada, while enhancing the vitality of the English-speaking community of Quebec. These obligations coexist, but they do not always align seamlessly.

The modernized act also adds Quebec's Charter of the French Language into federal statutes, despite concerns raised by English-speaking Quebecker stakeholders. The draft regulations provide no guidance on how institutions should navigate the resulting tensions. There is no framework for balancing competing obligations, no requirement to explain trade-offs and no obligation to demonstrate that the interests of English-speaking Quebeckers were assessed independently rather than absorbed into broader policy objectives.

When guidance is absent, decisions default to discretion. In Quebec, that discretion often favours preserving federal-provincial relations over advancing minority vitality. Without clearer statutory direction, there is a risk that part VII becomes procedurally satisfied but substantively diluted.

This concern is not theoretical. TALQ recently filed a complaint with the Commissioner of Official Languages regarding the Canada-Quebec agreement implementing the action plan for official languages. The complaint highlights shortcomings in the application of part VII—

The Chair Liberal Yvan Baker

Ms. Martin-Laforge, I'm sorry to interrupt you. The time is up, so could I ask you to wrap up soon? Then we can go to questions from members.

3:45 p.m.

Director General, Talking. Advocating. Living in Quebec.

Sylvia Martin-Laforge

Of course. Ms. Sandilands will not be speaking.

The Chair Liberal Yvan Baker

It's five minutes between you—

3:45 p.m.

Director General, Talking. Advocating. Living in Quebec.

Sylvia Martin-Laforge

It's between us. Okay.

The Chair Liberal Yvan Baker

—but there will be lots of opportunity for discussion to cover the content you need to cover.

3:45 p.m.

Director General, Talking. Advocating. Living in Quebec.

Sylvia Martin-Laforge

Let me go to the closing, then.

In closing, TALQ supports these regulations as an important step forward. They enhance structure and accountability within the limits of the existing statute, but we must remain clear-eyed about their limits. Process alone will not deliver minority vitality. Achieving real outcomes requires statutory clarity, enforceable obligations and meaningful accountability, issues Parliament must address in the review of the act.

Thank you, and we look forward to your questions.

The Chair Liberal Yvan Baker

Thank you very much.

We'll now move to the question and answer period with members.

We'll start with you, Mr. Godin. You have the floor for six minutes.

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

Joël Godin Conservative Portneuf—Jacques-Cartier, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, ladies, for being here today.

What you said worries me. You said you were in favour of the draft regulations, but you don't think the Official Languages Act is satisfactory. I'm trying to understand why you're in favour of these draft regulations, which are in line with the act, which you don't think is doing the job.

Could you elaborate on that? It's not clear to me. It worries me that you're in favour at a second level, when you weren't in favour of our main topic. I'd like to hear your thoughts on that.

3:50 p.m.

Director General, Talking. Advocating. Living in Quebec.

Sylvia Martin-Laforge

Part VII has been a concern for both official language minorities for years. For 20 years, maybe more, we've been worried about part VII in the act.

That means we're concerned about the proposed regulations regarding part VII of the act. However, we're seeing progress in the documentation work.

The paper trail will help everyone. There are procedural parts of part VII that are very good, but we are still concerned because of the alignment with the Charter of the French Language in the act.

We were against the modernization of the act, let's be clear, mostly because it included the Charter of the French Language. We are the only jurisdiction that has the construct of having provincial and federal within the act, so it shows in part VII regulations.

There's no way to break down how part VII of the act will help the English-speaking community, the French-speaking majority in Quebec and the French-speaking minority in the rest of Canada.

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

Joël Godin Conservative Portneuf—Jacques-Cartier, QC

It's important to understand Quebec's unique situation. It's the only province where the common language is French. It should also be noted that New Brunswick is the only officially bilingual province in Canada. These are facts.

Beyond that, I'm very comfortable with including the Charter of the French Language in the act to protect the last Gallic village overwhelmed by a sea of anglophones in North America. I have nothing against anglophones, it must be said. We have a real asset in Canada, namely two official languages. Bilingualism is a strength and, unfortunately, we aren't making the most of it.

3:50 p.m.

Director General, Talking. Advocating. Living in Quebec.

Sylvia Martin-Laforge

May I make a comment on that?

I don't disagree with you. What we are saying is that in part VII, the regulations do not express that complexity adequately. That's all.

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

Joël Godin Conservative Portneuf—Jacques-Cartier, QC

Ms. Martin‑Laforge, you say that you're in favour of these draft regulations. In your opening remarks, you said that it was a marvel.

3:50 p.m.

Director General, Talking. Advocating. Living in Quebec.

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

Joël Godin Conservative Portneuf—Jacques-Cartier, QC

I exaggerated what you said. In fact, you said it was good in terms of the process. I'm of the same mind as you: There won't be any results.

You're happy with the draft regulations. You weren't in favour of Bill C‑13, but you're in favour of the draft regulations related to part VII—

3:50 p.m.

Director General, Talking. Advocating. Living in Quebec.

Sylvia Martin-Laforge

I support what the draft regulations are trying to do in terms of process.

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

Joël Godin Conservative Portneuf—Jacques-Cartier, QC

Yes, but when a regulation is passed, it's because we want to give ourselves the means to achieve results. However, you know as well as I do that there will be no results.

Are you in favour of the draft regulations? I'm asking this question because there will be no obstacles for anglophones in Quebec. The goal isn't to create obstacles for anglophones in Quebec.

3:55 p.m.

Director General, Talking. Advocating. Living in Quebec.

Sylvia Martin-Laforge

It's about continuous improvement. There is an improvement.

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

Joël Godin Conservative Portneuf—Jacques-Cartier, QC

Okay.

In that case, what should be put in the regulations to improve things?

3:55 p.m.

Director General, Talking. Advocating. Living in Quebec.

Sylvia Martin-Laforge

What should be put in the regulations?

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

Joël Godin Conservative Portneuf—Jacques-Cartier, QC

Yes. This is an opportunity to say.

3:55 p.m.

Director General, Talking. Advocating. Living in Quebec.

The Chair Liberal Yvan Baker

There is one minute remaining.

3:55 p.m.

Director General, Talking. Advocating. Living in Quebec.

Sylvia Martin-Laforge

I'm not sure we can put everything in the regulations, because the act does not allow for much flexibility in the regulations. Better consultation, more results, performance indicators, and certainly, as I said earlier, a better understanding of how in Quebec there will be an alignment in our jurisdictional issues between the federal and the provincial.... Nobody talks about that much. We haven't heard anybody talk about this.

In fact, I'm being interviewed by l'Office québécois de la langue française in a few weeks. How are they going to come up with a solution as well? I have no idea.