Evidence of meeting #44 for Public Accounts in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was victoria.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

André Gladu  As an Individual
Alex Smith  Committee Researcher
Ned Franks  Professor Emeritus of Political Science, Queen's University, As an Individual

4:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Shawn Murphy

We've had a lot of unpleasant experiences with lobbyists over the last number of years on certain files. Was any lobbyist involved, in any way, with this file? Did any lobbyist meet or attempt to meet with you?

4:15 p.m.

As an Individual

André Gladu

Not with me. Never.

4:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Shawn Murphy

Are you aware of any?

4:15 p.m.

As an Individual

4:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Shawn Murphy

Okay, two minutes. And members, I'm going to be strict on my time.

Mr. Rodriguez, deux minutes.

4:15 p.m.

Liberal

Pablo Rodriguez Liberal Honoré-Mercier, QC

Is it usual for a minister to get involved in that way in changing a decision? In the course of your career, which was quite a long one, did you ever see that happening?

4:15 p.m.

As an Individual

André Gladu

Personally, I have never seen that sort of thing.

4:15 p.m.

Liberal

Pablo Rodriguez Liberal Honoré-Mercier, QC

So, that was the one and only time that you saw it happen.

4:15 p.m.

As an Individual

4:15 p.m.

Liberal

Pablo Rodriguez Liberal Honoré-Mercier, QC

Generally speaking, how did employees react when they were advised they were staying?

4:15 p.m.

As an Individual

André Gladu

That they were staying at Place Victoria?

4:15 p.m.

Liberal

Pablo Rodriguez Liberal Honoré-Mercier, QC

Yes, at Place Victoria.

4:15 p.m.

As an Individual

André Gladu

Those who commented on it informally were pleased to be staying at Place Victoria.

4:15 p.m.

Liberal

Pablo Rodriguez Liberal Honoré-Mercier, QC

So, the employees were happy and satisfied.

4:15 p.m.

As an Individual

André Gladu

Yes. I'm not sure whether if you asked them that now, they would still agree, for the reasons I mentioned previously—including the fact that there had been no improvements made whatsoever. But, initially, they were happy to stay there.

4:15 p.m.

Liberal

Pablo Rodriguez Liberal Honoré-Mercier, QC

I understand. Was it not when the Montreal Regional Office opened up on the east side of the city?

4:15 p.m.

As an Individual

André Gladu

I'm sorry, I did not catch your question.

4:15 p.m.

Liberal

Pablo Rodriguez Liberal Honoré-Mercier, QC

Was that when the Montreal Regional Office opened?

4:15 p.m.

As an Individual

André Gladu

When I left, a tendering process what about to begin to find accommodation for the Island of Montreal office on the east side. I am not aware of the date, but I know that the move occurred after I left—in other words, after April of 2003.

4:15 p.m.

Liberal

Pablo Rodriguez Liberal Honoré-Mercier, QC

Some employees whose work only involved the city of Montreal therefore left Place Victoria.

4:20 p.m.

As an Individual

André Gladu

That's correct. There were about 30 of them.

4:20 p.m.

Liberal

Pablo Rodriguez Liberal Honoré-Mercier, QC

And how many offices does the Economic Development Agency of Canada have in Quebec?

4:20 p.m.

As an Individual

André Gladu

At the time that I was there, as I recall, there were 14 offices across the regions of Quebec.

4:20 p.m.

Liberal

Pablo Rodriguez Liberal Honoré-Mercier, QC

Have you ever encountered this kind of situation when building leases for those 14 offices were being negotiated?

4:20 p.m.

As an Individual

André Gladu

No. I had no involvement whatsoever in those discussions, because the regional offices are small entities. All the negotiations and discussions took place between managers at my office and Public Works. So, I never encountered that kind of situation.