Evidence of meeting #55 for Public Accounts in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was contracts.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

David Smith  As an Individual
Dominic Crupi  As an Individual
Frank Brazeau  As an Individual
David Marshall  Deputy Minister, Public Works and Government Services Canada
Shahid Minto  Chief Risk Officer, Public Works and Government Services Canada
Greg McEvoy  Associate Partner, KPMG
Commissioner Paul Gauvin  Deputy Commissioner, Corporate Management and Comptrollership, Royal Canadian Mounted Police

5:20 p.m.

NDP

David Christopherson NDP Hamilton Centre, ON

That could be scary, sir.

Thank you.

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Brian Fitzpatrick Conservative Prince Albert, SK

Mr. Chair, it's probably not really a point of order, but I think I have to say it. We have time to carry these proceedings on; the votes aren't until 6:30. I think all the members here know that there are things coming up here that we need more time on. I think that, as we've done before, we should try to extend these meetings as long as we can before the votes to try to get to the bottom of this thing.

5:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Shawn Murphy

On this issue I'm totally in the hands of the committee.

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Brian Fitzpatrick Conservative Prince Albert, SK

I'm sure everybody on the committee would give unanimous consent to this.

5:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Shawn Murphy

What are the wishes?

Mr. Wrzesnewskyj.

5:20 p.m.

Liberal

Borys Wrzesnewskyj Liberal Etobicoke Centre, ON

Mr. Chair, I have a dinner with the Ukraine's foreign minister at six o'clock with our foreign minister, Peter MacKay. I would probably be able to stay until 5:45, but then I would be compelled to leave.

5:20 p.m.

NDP

David Christopherson NDP Hamilton Centre, ON

We in the NDP—well, I, but I like to try—'d be quite prepared to stay, and perhaps we could give Borys an assurance that we wouldn't move any motions during that time so that we can achieve both.

5:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Shawn Murphy

I sense a consensus.

5:20 p.m.

Bloc

Jean-Yves Laforest Bloc Saint-Maurice—Champlain, QC

What time is the vote scheduled for, Mr. Chairman?

5:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Shawn Murphy

For 6:30 p.m.

5:20 p.m.

Bloc

Jean-Yves Laforest Bloc Saint-Maurice—Champlain, QC

When do you plan on adjourning?

5:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Shawn Murphy

At 6:30; I sense that consensus is emerging to go to 6:30, and there will be no motions or committee votes.

We'll go to 6:30, and even with unanimous consent there are no votes.

Mr. Rota.

5:20 p.m.

Liberal

Anthony Rota Liberal Nipissing—Timiskaming, ON

I have a commitment at 5:30. I'm going to have to leave in a few minutes.

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON

Is there unanimous consent?

5:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Shawn Murphy

I think there is, under that condition.

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

David Sweet Conservative Ancaster—Dundas—Flamborough—Westdale, ON

There are a KPMG-2, a KPMG-3, and a KMPG-4 that Mr. Marshall mentioned, and we have, I believe, requested some forensic auditing help. These would probably flesh out even more details than what we have; we only have KPMG-1. I would ask that we direct them to table those other reports.

5:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Shawn Murphy

So you're asking that KPMG-2, KPMG-3, and KPMG-4 be tabled with this committee.

5:25 p.m.

Conservative

David Sweet Conservative Ancaster—Dundas—Flamborough—Westdale, ON

The way Mr. Marshall described them, they were more fulsome investigations every time of this key issue, and if that's the case, then they would be of value to us.

5:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Shawn Murphy

Mr. Marshall, I'll ask you to respond.

5:25 p.m.

Deputy Minister, Public Works and Government Services Canada

David Marshall

Mr. Chairman, we have had several requests under access to information for these different reports. We released several versions that have been severed because of individual names or individual privacy issues. I will table everything we can under that basis.

The first report certainly didn't come from Public Works, the unsevered version, although the committee now has it. It's very awkward, but we just have to respect the various rules around this matter.

I will comply with all of those.

5:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Shawn Murphy

I can appreciate that. You'll be tabling the KPMG-2, KPMG-3, and KPMG-4 with some privacy issues dealt with.

5:25 p.m.

Deputy Minister, Public Works and Government Services Canada

David Marshall

Correct, I will.

5:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Shawn Murphy

Thank you very much.

Mr. Marshall, can that be done reasonably promptly?

5:25 p.m.

Deputy Minister, Public Works and Government Services Canada

5:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Shawn Murphy

Mr. Wrzesnewskyj, for five minutes.