Evidence of meeting #129 for Public Accounts in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was contracts.

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MPs speaking

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Nelson Barbosa  Director General, Regional Operations, Department of Indigenous Services
Gina Wilson  Deputy Minister, Department of Indigenous Services
Stefanie Beck  Deputy Minister, Department of National Defence
Troy Crosby  Assistant Deputy Minister, Materiel Group, Department of National Defence

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Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON

Thank you, Minister. I have to move on. My time is very limited.

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Liberal

Bill Blair Liberal Scarborough Southwest, ON

Okay.

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Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON

I appreciate your response.

I have a list of all these middlemen contractors. These are contractors retained by the Government of Canada to ultimately hire professionals.

Surprisingly, one of the entries is SNC-Lavalin, the company that was mired in controversy not too long ago and facing bribery, corruption and fraud charges that ultimately put so much pressure on the Prime Minister and his staff that it led to another conviction on ethical violations. It would probably be the last organization the Government of Canada would want to align itself with, yet SNC-Lavalin got $115,000.

The question is very simple: Why did taxpayer monies of $115,000 go to this company?

5:20 p.m.

Liberal

Bill Blair Liberal Scarborough Southwest, ON

Again, I don't know that particular contract, and I don't know whether my officials would have that information, but I'd invite them to provide it if you require it.

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Assistant Deputy Minister, Materiel Group, Department of National Defence

Troy Crosby

I don't have the details on that contract. I—

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Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON

What did SNC-Lavalin do? You don't have details. You'll provide us with details?

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Assistant Deputy Minister, Materiel Group, Department of National Defence

Troy Crosby

I'm not sure of the dates of that contract, but we can look it up.

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Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON

It was last year.

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Liberal

Bill Blair Liberal Scarborough Southwest, ON

As Troy mentioned, we're talking about an incredibly large number of contracts—

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Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON

I have to move on, Minister. I appreciate that.

5:20 p.m.

Liberal

Bill Blair Liberal Scarborough Southwest, ON

—so having particular details of one of them—

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Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON

I appreciate that.

I'm looking at this list. There are roughly three pages. There are either corporations, limited corporations.... The identity is pretty much explanatory as to what they do, yet there is one entry for an individual by the name of Melanie Randall. Would she be a Liberal donor or affiliated with the Liberal Party of Canada?

5:20 p.m.

Liberal

Bill Blair Liberal Scarborough Southwest, ON

I have no idea who Melanie Randall is.

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Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON

Melanie Randall received $137,812.49 of taxpayer funds. I know that I want to know and I'm sure all Canadians want to know why a certain individual has received a pretty significant contract. I'd like to know who she is, what she did for the government and what value Canadians have received. Will you provide that to me, Mr. Crosby?

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Assistant Deputy Minister, Materiel Group, Department of National Defence

Troy Crosby

Yes, we can do that, Mr. Chair.

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Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON

Thank you.

Here's another big one. Pardon the pun, because the name is Big Rideau Leadership Services. Last year, they got $14,000. Do you know what they did?

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Assistant Deputy Minister, Materiel Group, Department of National Defence

Troy Crosby

Not specifically.

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Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON

Do you know where they work from?

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Assistant Deputy Minister, Materiel Group, Department of National Defence

Troy Crosby

I'm not specifically aware. I've heard of the name of the contractor before.

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Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON

Sure. We did a search, and Big Rideau Leadership Services works in a residential area just outside of Ottawa, at 6 Brandy Creek Crescent, likely working out of their home office or basement, just like the infamous GC Strategies.

5:20 p.m.

Liberal

Brenda Shanahan Liberal Châteauguay—Lacolle, QC

I have a point of order, Chair.

I'm concerned about personal information being given out about individuals. I don't know where this is going.

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Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON

It's public domain.

5:20 p.m.

Liberal

Brenda Shanahan Liberal Châteauguay—Lacolle, QC

We know that Mr. Yeo was a Conservative donor. I don't really see where this is going.

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON

On that point of order, Mr. Chair, we're going to correct the record once and for all, because both Ms. Shanahan and Ms. Khalid are misrepresenting the evidence that this committee heard—

5:20 p.m.

Liberal

Iqra Khalid Liberal Mississauga—Erin Mills, ON

I have a point of order, Chair.