Evidence of meeting #129 for Public Accounts in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was contracts.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Nelson Barbosa  Director General, Regional Operations, Department of Indigenous Services
Gina Wilson  Deputy Minister, Department of Indigenous Services
Stefanie Beck  Deputy Minister, Department of National Defence
Troy Crosby  Assistant Deputy Minister, Materiel Group, Department of National Defence

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NDP

Blake Desjarlais NDP Edmonton Griesbach, AB

It's actually in addition to your request for documents.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative John Williamson

Yes.

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NDP

Blake Desjarlais NDP Edmonton Griesbach, AB

Can we also include in the request for that update in writing a request for an update on the department's response to the point the Auditor General made in section 2.34 related to the Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation?

The Auditor General found that the ministry, in co-operation with CMHC, underfunded the Alberta, Saskatchewan and Manitoba region by using outdated and old formulas.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative John Williamson

Would that be possible, Ms. Wilson?

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Deputy Minister, Department of Indigenous Services

Gina Wilson

I don't know if I can. I can't promise for CMHC.

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NDP

Blake Desjarlais NDP Edmonton Griesbach, AB

In terms of the department's response....

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Director General, Regional Operations, Department of Indigenous Services

Nelson Barbosa

If the question is about what data we use in terms of appropriating funds, we use current census data.

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NDP

Blake Desjarlais NDP Edmonton Griesbach, AB

You use current census data in this regard, do you?

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Director General, Regional Operations, Department of Indigenous Services

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NDP

Blake Desjarlais NDP Edmonton Griesbach, AB

That would be good if you could supply that, but I understand that this portion of the agreement speaks directly to CMHC in co-operation with ISC.

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Director General, Regional Operations, Department of Indigenous Services

Nelson Barbosa

I don't believe so. I believe it's about how each department appropriates its funds. For ISC, we appropriate against current census data from 2021.

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NDP

Blake Desjarlais NDP Edmonton Griesbach, AB

You're saying this is not your problem.

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Director General, Regional Operations, Department of Indigenous Services

Nelson Barbosa

I'm saying there are two parties to ask that question of.

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NDP

Blake Desjarlais NDP Edmonton Griesbach, AB

You have no responsibility for it.

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Director General, Regional Operations, Department of Indigenous Services

Nelson Barbosa

I have a responsibility for ISC funding, for which we used 2021....

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NDP

Blake Desjarlais NDP Edmonton Griesbach, AB

In this regard, it's none.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative John Williamson

Could you do your best, if there's an aspect that you're responsible for?

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NDP

Blake Desjarlais NDP Edmonton Griesbach, AB

Just do something about it. My God.

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Director General, Regional Operations, Department of Indigenous Services

Nelson Barbosa

We would be happy to provide a funding history of how we appropriate funds.

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NDP

Blake Desjarlais NDP Edmonton Griesbach, AB

Can you talk to CMHC at least?

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative John Williamson

All right. We will get a response, and then we will take next steps.

I would thank the minister, but she's already left. That's very unusual.

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NDP

Blake Desjarlais NDP Edmonton Griesbach, AB

[Inaudible—Editor]

I'll have order, Mr. Desjarlais.

I would thank the minister—

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NDP

Blake Desjarlais NDP Edmonton Griesbach, AB

I'm not satisfied with those kinds of answers, Chair. I'm sorry.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative John Williamson

Let's get the answer back. Then this committee can take steps if you're not satisfied with it.

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NDP

Blake Desjarlais NDP Edmonton Griesbach, AB

I'm not satisfied. We're not doing it. It's someone's problem.