Evidence of meeting #134 for Public Accounts in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was cbsa.
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Conservative
Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON
Did you find it to to be truthful?
Conservative
Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON
Mr. MacDonald told committee that the testimonies of both the current and former CBSA presidents, Ms. O'Gorman and Mr. Ossowski, were not truthful.
Do you have any further insight other than your personal example of a whistle-blower reprisal that's being exacted against you?
As an Individual
I have heard at committee that there is a CBSA employee currently being put under investigation, and it has something to do with missing emails.
Conservative
Conservative
Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON
That is Minh Doan.
Does that relate to Ms. O'Gorman's testimony and its veracity?
As an Individual
If you're an auditor, and I'm just going to speak to what I am familiar with in being audited, you have to separate duties and responsibilities. Contracting security is not in the same group as buyers. If you mix the two, like mergers and acquisitions with stockbrokers, you get insider trading. If she wasn't part of the investigation, instead of assuming anything, because I don't know Ms. O'Gorman and I don't know what's going on, how would she know or not know if people were facing reprisals? I'm just asking the question.
Conservative
Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON
You mentioned earlier that you were just a soldier accepting your marching orders. Where did those orders come from? Did they come from Mr. MacDonald or Mr. Utano? Did they come from Ms. O'Gorman or Mr. Ossowski? Did they come from a deputy minister? Did they come from the minister? Where did they come from?
As an Individual
Usually when unionized employees are working, they'll get it from their manager, their director or their colleagues. In my case, I worked with CBSA IT managers and CBSA IT directors. I dealt with them all, and I just put into place a package that was sent over from their IT technical requirements and over to CBSA procurement.
Conservative
Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON
What would be the most senior level that would have given you direction on any of these matters?
As an Individual
It would have been a director, a senior director or an executive director. Sorry.
Conservative
Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON
Okay. Who do they report to?
Conservative
Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON
Who does the DG report to?
Conservative
Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON
The VP reports to the president. Who does the president report to?
Conservative
Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON
They report to the minister. Okay.
I find it so interesting that the Liberals have put forward this narrative that all of this $60-million fiasco is the fault of the public service, and that some would like to say that it's your fault.
Conservative
Conservative
Liberal
Iqra Khalid Liberal Mississauga—Erin Mills, ON
Sorry, Chair. Do you know what? Mr. Barrett can continue.
