Public Accounts Committee on Aug. 7th, 2024

[Diane Daly]

You have a lot of different people not talking to each other. A way forward—and I'll use that as former government—would be for people to start talking to each other and working on projects specifically geared with a terms of reference.

A terms of reference would be established for things like if you're having a problem with the indigenous firms being confirmed as indigenous firms.

What would indigenous organizations want to see from indigenous procurement? Then, you'd have indigenous companies on that committee. We don't do enough of a check-in to see what's going on. When we do, we don't ask the right questions.

[The Chair, Conservative, John Williamson]

Thank you very much.

To begin the last round, Mr. Genuis, you have the floor for five minutes.

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

Thanks, Chair.

Ms. Daly mentioned previously that her interview with investigators was recorded but that she has not received a copy. It seems that it is a crucial piece of evidence.

First off, if there's agreement, I'd like the committee to order a copy of that recording from the government.

Is there agreement to do that, Chair?

[The Chair, Conservative, John Williamson]

I'll pause the clock here. You're asking for....

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

I'm asking for agreement to order from the government a copy of the recording which has been referred to as part of the investigation involving Ms. Daly. It has been referred to frequently.

I saw nods all around, I think.

[The Chair, Conservative, John Williamson]

Mr. Genuis, if you're posing a motion, you can do that.

Let's get the testimony from Ms. Daly, and we can swing back around. If you want to put forward a motion, you can, but we're—

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

This is normal process. We asked for a lot of documents—

[The Chair, Conservative, John Williamson]

Well, I see heads shaking all over the place, so—

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

Who's shaking their heads?

[The Chair, Conservative, John Williamson]

Do you want a roll-call vote?

Mr. Genuis, you have four minutes, 40 seconds in your time. Go.

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

Sure, we'll take a vote—

[Iqra Khalid, Liberal, Mississauga—Erin Mills, ON]

Sorry, Chair, but we don't know what we're voting on. We'd love to see a motion.

[The Chair, Conservative, John Williamson]

No, Ms. Khalid, there is no vote. I paused the clock.

Mr. Genuis, you have the floor.

If you're moving a motion to get documents, you can do so.

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

Is there agreement of the committee to order that recording? If there's agreement of the committee, we don't have a problem.

[Michael Barrett, Conservative, Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON]

On a point of order, Chair, the witness has already volunteered to offer the information.

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

Exactly. She doesn't have...we're talking about the recording of her interview that she does not have, that the government has.

[An hon. member]

They actually recorded the interview.

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

It's requesting information from the government, not from her.

[The Chair, Conservative, John Williamson]

Yes, Ms. Khalid.

[Iqra Khalid, Liberal, Mississauga—Erin Mills, ON]

Chair, I'm not exactly sure what recording we're talking about. If Mr. Genuis could be more clear in a written motion, I'd be more than happy to review it and provide my support or lack thereof, but I do need to see it.

[The Chair, Conservative, John Williamson]

Thank you.

Mr. Genuis, you do not have consent.

You have four minutes and 30 seconds to go. It's over to you, please.

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

With all due respect to my Liberal colleagues, I think it's pretty clear what recording we're talking about. It's been repeatedly referred to in these hearings.

[Iqra Khalid, Liberal, Mississauga—Erin Mills, ON]

No, it hasn't.

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

Ms. Khalid doesn't want that produced. We'll certainly be following up on that.

[Iqra Khalid, Liberal, Mississauga—Erin Mills, ON]

Chair, I take exception to being named.