Evidence of meeting #33 for Public Safety and National Security in the 39th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was person.

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Marc Grégoire  Assistant Deputy Minister, Safety and Security, Department of Transport
Brion Brandt  Director, Security Policy, Department of Transport

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Assistant Deputy Minister, Safety and Security, Department of Transport

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Garry Breitkreuz

He will not know why he has been placed on that list?

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Assistant Deputy Minister, Safety and Security, Department of Transport

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Garry Breitkreuz

Monsieur Comartin.

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Joe Comartin NDP Windsor—Tecumseh, ON

I'm deeply offended, Mr. Chair. That was going to be my question.

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Some hon. members

Oh, oh!

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Garry Breitkreuz

I can't believe the right and the left have the same mind on something.

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Joe Comartin NDP Windsor—Tecumseh, ON

That is shocking.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Garry Breitkreuz

Yes, shocking.

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Joe Comartin NDP Windsor—Tecumseh, ON

Mr. Grégoire, pursuing the chair's question, because I seriously was going to ask it--

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Garry Breitkreuz

Sorry.

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Joe Comartin NDP Windsor—Tecumseh, ON

No, that's fine, Mr. Chair.

So you're not going to tell them why they're on the list. They're going to have absolutely no information as to why they're on the list. Is that correct?

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Assistant Deputy Minister, Safety and Security, Department of Transport

Marc Grégoire

That is correct. Actually, we--

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Joe Comartin NDP Windsor—Tecumseh, ON

That's fine.

So they will have no opportunity to get themselves off the list by being able to establish that in fact the information--much as has happened with Mr. Arar, and let's go down the list.... You're just repeating the same thing we've done so many times in the past. Didn't we learn anything?

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Assistant Deputy Minister, Safety and Security, Department of Transport

Marc Grégoire

No, we have learned, and we are using the lessons from Arar, you can be sure of that. In the regulation--

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Joe Comartin NDP Windsor—Tecumseh, ON

But did you learn anything from the Supreme Court of Canada decision on Friday?

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Assistant Deputy Minister, Safety and Security, Department of Transport

Marc Grégoire

In the regulation, we have specified the guidelines that would be used to determine--

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Joe Comartin NDP Windsor—Tecumseh, ON

All kept secret.

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Assistant Deputy Minister, Safety and Security, Department of Transport

Marc Grégoire

No, the guidelines are published. Look, the guidelines are--

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Joe Comartin NDP Windsor—Tecumseh, ON

The guidelines are, but the information that's behind it is coming either from CSIS, the RCMP, or from external forces outside the country. You're going to take information from outside the country.

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Assistant Deputy Minister, Safety and Security, Department of Transport

Marc Grégoire

The person who will be put on the list will be representing a very high risk to aviation security. We're talking about terrorists.

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Joe Comartin NDP Windsor—Tecumseh, ON

Based on information that's coming from secret sources.

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Assistant Deputy Minister, Safety and Security, Department of Transport

Marc Grégoire

Based on information given to us by CSIS and the RCMP.

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Joe Comartin NDP Windsor—Tecumseh, ON

I commend the Supreme Court of Canada decision to you.

I don't have any other questions, Mr. Chair.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Garry Breitkreuz

Thank you.

We then go over to the government side, Mr. Norlock, for seven minutes, please.

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