Evidence of meeting #5 for Public Safety and National Security in the 40th Parliament, 3rd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was skills.
A recording is available from Parliament.
March 25th, 2010 / 3:55 p.m.
Conservative
Shelly Glover Conservative Saint Boniface, MB
I just have a suggestion with regard to the point of order. I see that Ms. Dumas-Sluyter might have wished to contribute a few times. Might we ask if it would be possible for another witness to answer the questions?
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Conservative
Shelly Glover Conservative Saint Boniface, MB
Because there is a possibility that someone else here might have the answers.
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Liette Dumas-Sluyter Acting Assistant Commissioner, Corporate Services, Correctional Service Canada
I have no specific answer to Ms. Mourani's question, but what I can say is that Mr. Godbole is here as a person of authority with regard to provisionment at the national level, and as such for all regions within the jurisdiction of Correction Service Canada. He has a good understanding of the provisionment mechanisms and processes at the national level. That is why he is at the table with us today.
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Liberal
The Vice-Chair Liberal Mark Holland
I would recommend to the witness who will be replacing the individual absent today that he or she read all of Ms. Mourani's questions, consult those persons in charge and ensure that he or she have answers for the committee the next time. Are we agreed?
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Bloc
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Bloc
Maria Mourani Bloc Ahuntsic, QC
In the Quebec region, eggs and dairy products came from Ontario, from CORCAN Ontario. You are saying that that portion will be replaced. By whom will it be replaced? Do you already know by whom?
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Director General, Technical Services and Facilities, Correctional Service Canada
The procurement of eggs and dairy products will be replaced using standard government procurement practices. We don't currently buy all of the eggs and dairy products for Quebec from Ontario; we buy them at a few institutions, I believe four, but it's a small number of institutions. What we will do as we stop buying from CORCAN is to use the standard government procurement processes that we use at the other sites to buy those products for those sites.
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Bloc
Maria Mourani Bloc Ahuntsic, QC
What I understand is that at the present time, for example, you are purchasing some of the eggs and dairy products from CORCAN Ontario, but where are you buying the rest? Are you buying the rest in Quebec? In British Columbia? Where are you buying these eggs and the remainder of the dairy products?
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Regional Deputy Commissioner of Ontario, Correctional Service Canada
If I could, Mr. Chair, perhaps I could give an example here.
In Ontario region we buy eggs and milk from CORCAN, which of course is our special operating agency. We spend under $2 million on those purchases. When we stop buying milk and eggs from CORCAN, when it no longer has those products for sale, we will be going to government tenders for the provision of those eggs. So now I buy from CORCAN, but tenders will go out and we will buy from whoever is the successful bidder in those tenders.
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Maria Mourani Bloc Ahuntsic, QC
But you have still not answered my question. You are presently buying eggs from CORCAN. Once it is closed down, you will buy them elsewhere, but you do not know yet from whom. Where do the eggs that are not provided by CORCAN come from?
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Director General, Technical Services and Facilities, Correctional Service Canada
I don't have the information on exactly where all the eggs come from—
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Director General, Technical Services and Facilities, Correctional Service Canada
—in terms of institutions in Quebec.
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Director General, Technical Services and Facilities, Correctional Service Canada
We will know once we put tenders on the street and contracts are awarded. Then it will be known where the eggs will be coming from. Until we put a tender and award a contract, we can't—
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Bloc
Maria Mourani Bloc Ahuntsic, QC
I understand, sir, that, for the time being, you do not know what the situation is for CORCAN. But, at the present time, where do the eggs that you do not purchase from CORCAN come from?
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Director General, Technical Services and Facilities, Correctional Service Canada
I don't have the list of where the suppliers come from. We can provide it to you. I had not received that question or known you had wanted an answer to it, so we'll follow up on that.
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Regional Deputy Commissioner of Ontario, Correctional Service Canada
If I may, if you're actually looking for the specific supplier—
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Regional Deputy Commissioner of Ontario, Correctional Service Canada
Could I just finish?
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Regional Deputy Commissioner of Ontario, Correctional Service Canada
I'm sorry. I apologize, but I just wanted to say that we will buy them from where those are forwarded or whoever owns that contract. What Mr. Godbole is saying is we don't have the name of who owns that contract. We can provide that to you, but the system is that we would buy from whoever was successful in the bid for that contract that we would put out. It could be John's Grocery, Mary's Grocery—