Sure. I personally am very concerned. My previous work was on victims defence work, so I think....
The idea that there's opposition between civil libertarians and victims is not, I think, the right reflection, because indeed nobody wants the wrong person to be caught, or the system not to work. When somebody is wrongfully charged, the victims are not that much better off. Indeed, I think we have always said that we support—and we did support—the compensation for victims of terrorism. We support compensation for victims of torture as well.
To me, the idea that we should be pitted one against the other is not appropriate. Indeed, we all want a system that works, that's not unfair, and that has legitimacy, so that people will continue to participate and cooperate to the extent that they want in a system that will ensure that it has sufficient due process.
I want to also answer this, if I may, very quickly. I think part of the issue, when you ask if we should let them leave, is that in the bill you would have to have quite a bit of evidence to be able to arrest them. What Lord Macdonald suggests is that all these control orders that were preventing the police...and the alleged terrorists for engaging into business for communicating with their co-conspirators, were indeed undermining the gathering of evidence. In the case of the Toronto 18, the fact that they had trained elsewhere was part of the evidence.
I'm not an expert in policing tactics, but I'm just saying that you should be worried about what elsewhere they have assessed...how they have assessed that some of these strategies may look good but are not used for good reasons.