Having Nathalie go first means that she basically says everything I want to say, but better.
I am concerned about this dichotomy between victims and offenders and everyone in between. I don't think we're trying to make Canada less safeāfar from it. We are concerned about Canadian safety. But we're also concerned about making sure that our national security policies and practices are effective. To a significant degree, we are concerned that these two provisions are not as effective as they may seem at first blush. That's why we're here today. We want to express our concerns and share what has happened in other countries that have had much more extensive experience with things like this.