Thank you.
I'm going to continue a little bit on clause 14 with Mr. Atkey.
You talked about this earlier. Clause 14 has a number of those exceptions Professor Wark talked about, exceptions to the right to have access. They're pretty well understood by the security community. You talked about the identify of sources, as a great example. In most cases, the identity of sources would not be necessary to do the work, but in some cases, it may be crucial in assessing whether an agency was operating effectively and appropriately. For instance, it might matter a great deal whether a target was a journalist.
In your view, do you think we should carve out permanent exceptions, as Bill C-22 does, to the committee's access, or should we broaden access and let the committee work with the agencies on a case-by-case basis to determine whether operational details are required? I think that's what you said the experience of SIRC was.