Okay.
Evidence of meeting #16 for Public Safety and National Security in the 43rd Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was bragdon.
A recording is available from Parliament.
Evidence of meeting #16 for Public Safety and National Security in the 43rd Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was bragdon.
A recording is available from Parliament.
6:15 p.m.
Conservative
Shannon Stubbs Conservative Lakeland, AB
All I wanted to say is that I'm just hoping the proponent will be able to speak to the amendment, that we'll allow Richard Bragdon to address these issues.
6:15 p.m.
Liberal
6:15 p.m.
NDP
Jack Harris NDP St. John's East, NL
It is indeed, Chair; that's what I raised.
I believe Madame Michaud is actually reading from the earlier amendment, NDP-1, which was delivered in a different way from how it was assembled, but we didn't notice it. NDP-1b is back to the way it was. The last several words that she read out refer to “specifically designed to reduce recidivism”. She has to go to NDP-1b, in other words. The last words are “have access to appropriate programs that will help reduce recidivism”, as opposed to being specifically designed for that purpose.
I believe you were reading from the wrong version of NDP-1. It should be NDP-1b, and maybe you don't have it in front of you.
6:15 p.m.
Liberal
6:20 p.m.
NDP
Jack Harris NDP St. John's East, NL
I don't believe she did, because she was reading from something else.
6:20 p.m.
Bloc
Kristina Michaud Bloc Avignon—La Mitis—Matane—Matapédia, QC
Mr. Harris is right. I was reading the first version of his amendment. We should instead at the end read “to appropriate programs that will help reduce recidivism” in my subamendment.
It doesn't change what I propose removing from the amendment.
6:20 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal John McKay
Okay.
As I see it, Madame Michaud's motion is to be debated first, and then voted on, and then we'll move to Mr. Harris's motion, and debate it, and then we would proceed.
First of all, I want to clarify with Mr. Bragdon before I call for debate. Is Madame Michaud's motion, as read into the record, acceptable to you?
6:20 p.m.
Conservative
Richard Bragdon Conservative Tobique—Mactaquac, NB
My understanding is that hers is reducing it back closer to the original text. I understand it is advocating for the removal of Mr. Harris's amendment, unless it was very expansive in nature or much more comprehensive. Mr. Chair, you can correct me if I'm wrong, but I want to make sure I'm clear on this. Madame Michaud's motion is to basically restore it to the original text.
I am totally fine with Mr. Harris's motion that he brought in, the NDP motion. We did discuss his intent earlier this week, and I think he updated the wording a bit here for this evening. I am totally fine with that. At the same time, if that doesn't receive the consent of the committee, I guess it reverts to the original documentation, and I can live with either one.
I don't know if that helps, Mr. Chair, but I'm good with Mr. Harris's motion as is.
6:20 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal John McKay
This is where it's a huge disadvantage for the chair not to have the documents in front of him, but I don't have a printer.
Anyway, let me confirm with the clerk that we understand each other so we're talking about the same thing.
Is Mr. Bragdon's interpretation of what's before the committee correct?
6:20 p.m.
The Legislative Clerk
Yes. For greater clarity, Mr. Chair, would you like me to read it in English and in French?
6:20 p.m.
The Legislative Clerk
Sure.
6:20 p.m.
The Legislative Clerk
I'm sorry about that.
For greater clarity, would you like me to read Mr. Harris's amendment, including Madame Michaud's subamendment? I can read it in both English and French and the committee will have the whole of the information.
6:20 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal John McKay
I think that would be helpful, but on the other hand, we do have to debate it in the reverse order, which is Michaud first and Harris second.
6:20 p.m.
The Legislative Clerk
Exactly.
Including Madame Michaud's amendment, it would read in English, “evaluate and improve risk assessment instruments and procedures, and ensure that all people who are incarcerated have access to appropriate programs that will help reduce recidivism”.
6:20 p.m.
The Legislative Clerk
Yes, exactly.
