Evidence of meeting #28 for Public Safety and National Security in the 43rd Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was chair.

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MPs speaking

Also speaking

David McGuinty  Chair, National Security and Intelligence Committee of Parliamentarians
Sean Jorgensen  Director of Operations, Secretariat of the National Security and Intelligence Committee of Parliamentarians, National Security and Intelligence Committee of Parliamentarians
Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Mark D'Amore
Robin Whitehead  Committee Researcher

6:25 p.m.

NDP

Jack Harris NDP St. John's East, NL

Yes, I understand that, but then there's no specific date for the CSC, so it can't be planned.

6:25 p.m.

Liberal

Pam Damoff Liberal Oakville North—Burlington, ON

I was just trying to give flexibility. If we want to do two on Levesque and then two on CSC, I'd be fine with that too.

I'm just trying to get some flexibility for the chair, not knowing how long some of this stuff is going to take to do.

6:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal John McKay

Joël.

6:25 p.m.

Liberal

Joël Lightbound Liberal Louis-Hébert, QC

Mr. Chair, in this case, I was wondering if we could set a definite date of June 9 for the study on the Correctional Service of Canada that Mr. Harris has suggested. Then, we would have—

6:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal John McKay

We're getting no translation. I'm sorry.

6:25 p.m.

Liberal

Joël Lightbound Liberal Louis-Hébert, QC

I was just about to suggest that we could set in stone the ninth for the CSC study.

6:25 p.m.

Conservative

Glen Motz Conservative Medicine Hat—Cardston—Warner, AB

On a point of order, Chair, there is no translation at all.

6:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal John McKay

He is speaking English.

6:25 p.m.

Liberal

Joël Lightbound Liberal Louis-Hébert, QC

Regardless of the language.

6:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal John McKay

Do some franglais.

6:25 p.m.

Liberal

Joël Lightbound Liberal Louis-Hébert, QC

Yes. Just comme je was saying. I'm trying. It's not easy.

Do I get translation now?

I would propose that the study on the Correctional Service of Canada that Mr. Harris has proposed be definitely scheduled to begin on June 9. On June 7, we would review the report on the circumstances surrounding the death of Ms. Levesque, and then we could complete the report on Ms. Levesque's death on June 16 and 21, if necessary.

So there would be the border study, which Ms. Michaud wants, the Correctional Service of Canada study, which Mr. Harris wants, and the rest, I think Ms. Damoff has really covered. If we can get this over with as quickly as possible, we could begin the review of the report on the death of Ms. Levesque.

6:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal John McKay

Pam.

6:25 p.m.

Liberal

Pam Damoff Liberal Oakville North—Burlington, ON

Thanks, Chair.

I would see that as a friendly amendment. It would change June 9 to CSC and then it would only leave the 16th and the 21st to be CSC or Levesque, depending on the timing. I would see that as a friendly amendment to what I put forward.

6:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal John McKay

Dare I ask for a vote?

6:25 p.m.

Liberal

Pam Damoff Liberal Oakville North—Burlington, ON

Sure.

6:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal John McKay

I'm a little afraid here, but I don't see any hands going up.

6:25 p.m.

Conservative

Tako Van Popta Conservative Langley—Aldergrove, BC

Chair, I do have my hand up.

I'm just not clear on what happens next Wednesday, the 12th of May, and for the rest of this month—the 12th, the 17th and the 19th of May.

6:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal John McKay

May 12 I can speak to. We would start the IMVE study. CSIS, CSE and the RCMP can make themselves available on that day.

Then we would go to.... What's the date after that? It's the 20th—

6:25 p.m.

Conservative

Tako Van Popta Conservative Langley—Aldergrove, BC

It's the 17th.

6:25 p.m.

Liberal

Pam Damoff Liberal Oakville North—Burlington, ON

No, the House isn't sitting, Tako.

6:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal John McKay

No. May 26 will go to the racism study. Okay?

6:25 p.m.

Conservative

Tako Van Popta Conservative Langley—Aldergrove, BC

Got it. I'm clear.

6:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal John McKay

I knew that I should have gone for the vote immediately. Now I have more hands.

Glen.

6:25 p.m.

Conservative

Glen Motz Conservative Medicine Hat—Cardston—Warner, AB

If we proceed with the dates as Pam has proposed, we will not get the Levesque study tabled in the House. That is the concern that I brought up before. I withdrew my motion because of the timing and because it appeared as if there was some willingness to make some adjustments to the extremism study and to make sure we focused on things that needed to get done.

We're still focused on the 31st for a second extremism study day when Levesque could be prepared at the same time. There is no reason that I can see that we can't have Levesque looked at then. If we're looking at the 16th or 21st and we're still in committee on Levesque, there is no possible way that it's going to be before the House.

Let's not kid ourselves. Let's focus on things that we can get done now. Let's start the studies that are important and that we know won't be done until the fall. It baffles me that we continue to push off and push off and put ourselves in a spot where we're again not going to get anything done. I don't understand why we can't finish something that has been before the committee for how long now...? Is it a year or two years on Levesque?

6:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal John McKay

Jack, apparently your headset is off, according to a note I have here that says your headset is not working.