Evidence of meeting #28 for Public Safety and National Security in the 43rd Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was chair.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

David McGuinty  Chair, National Security and Intelligence Committee of Parliamentarians
Sean Jorgensen  Director of Operations, Secretariat of the National Security and Intelligence Committee of Parliamentarians, National Security and Intelligence Committee of Parliamentarians
Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Mark D'Amore
Robin Whitehead  Committee Researcher

6:20 p.m.

NDP

Jack Harris NDP St. John's East, NL

What does that do to Levesque?

6:20 p.m.

Liberal

Pam Damoff Liberal Oakville North—Burlington, ON

We won't have it back yet. We won't have the Levesque study back yet.

6:20 p.m.

Conservative

Glen Motz Conservative Medicine Hat—Cardston—Warner, AB

We'll have Levesque for drafting instructions on Monday, May 10. Is that correct?

6:20 p.m.

Liberal

Pam Damoff Liberal Oakville North—Burlington, ON

That's right.

6:20 p.m.

Conservative

Glen Motz Conservative Medicine Hat—Cardston—Warner, AB

We won't have systemic racism back yet—

6:20 p.m.

Liberal

Pam Damoff Liberal Oakville North—Burlington, ON

We're doing that on May 26, Glen. That's why I skipped that one.

6:20 p.m.

Conservative

Glen Motz Conservative Medicine Hat—Cardston—Warner, AB

Is it possible, then, that we can move some of Jack's information further forward—or his study, the consolidated study—and do some of that on the 10th and 12th if we can't get Minister Blair here?

6:20 p.m.

NDP

Jack Harris NDP St. John's East, NL

No, I'm not sure about that, Glen, because we need some documents, too, and those documents are not due until June 2, so there's some flexibility on that end for that study.

6:20 p.m.

Liberal

Pam Damoff Liberal Oakville North—Burlington, ON

I think it's my time right now.

6:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal John McKay

It is.

6:20 p.m.

Liberal

Pam Damoff Liberal Oakville North—Burlington, ON

People had indicated there would be a willingness to compromise on this, so this is what I'm saying. We still think that this is something the committee should look at right away, but I would be willing to make some changes so that it is studied by that first week in June. After that, we get the Levesque study back, and the analyst was quite clear that it's going to take quite some time because of translation, so if we can't study it by that week of May 31 and June 2, I don't think we'll have an opportunity to do it.

If we can agree to dates right now, then I would be open to amending it like that, Chair.

6:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal John McKay

Is it studied in full by that date or initiated by that date?

6:20 p.m.

Liberal

Pam Damoff Liberal Oakville North—Burlington, ON

It's to have the four meetings by that date. So if—

6:20 p.m.

NDP

Jack Harris NDP St. John's East, NL

Chair, I'm withdrawing my consent to continue this meeting. We have gone beyond the 15 minutes that was agreed to. I don't think we can agree on this today. I think my suggestion of doing this between now and Monday is probably better, because I don't think this study can start on Monday, because we already decided it can't.

6:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal John McKay

In that circumstance, I believe I don't have any choice but to adjourn the meeting. That means the debate has not been resolved.

6:20 p.m.

Liberal

Pam Damoff Liberal Oakville North—Burlington, ON

I have a point of order, Chair.

Do you not suspend the meeting, though, and then we continue the debate on Monday? Otherwise, my May 10 date is out of date. If we suspend, the meeting continues as May 5, so I think we want to suspend the meeting.

6:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal John McKay

I will take guidance from the clerk on whether I'm suspending or I'm adjourning. I thought I was suspending the debate and adjourning the meeting.

6:20 p.m.

The Clerk

Mr. Chair, you can do either, suspend to a future date or adjourn the meeting and resume debate on the motion at a future date.

6:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal John McKay

Okay, well I—

6:20 p.m.

Liberal

Pam Damoff Liberal Oakville North—Burlington, ON

Chair, on a point of order, if we adjourn, someone is going to have move this motion again, so I feel really strongly that we need to suspend the debate, suspend the meeting and then continue this meeting on Monday at 3:30 p.m.

6:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal John McKay

There's a distinction to be made here as to whether the meeting is to be adjourned, but the debate is suspended. If the debate is suspended, and we resume the meeting on Monday, there's nothing to stop you from moving to continue the debate.

6:20 p.m.

Liberal

Pam Damoff Liberal Oakville North—Burlington, ON

But I would have to move it again, Chair.

6:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal John McKay

I don't think you have to move it again. All we're doing is suspending the debate as such.

6:20 p.m.

Liberal

Pam Damoff Liberal Oakville North—Burlington, ON

My motion has a date in it, which will be stale-dated if we start debate anew on Monday. If we suspend, the date remains as May 5. Then we can continue debate on the motion as it is.

6:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal John McKay

Okay. There's some anxiety as to whether—