Evidence of meeting #106 for Public Safety and National Security in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was point.
A recording is available from Parliament.
Liberal
Chris Bittle Liberal St. Catharines, ON
With respect to my honourable friend, I move to challenge the chair.
Conservative
Liberal
Chris Bittle Liberal St. Catharines, ON
On what basis? The agenda stands. Mr. Genuis can wait his turn, as you—
Conservative
Liberal
Chris Bittle Liberal St. Catharines, ON
Again, Mr. Genuis, you're talking over people. It's your shtick.
Conservative
Conservative
Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB
My shtick is demanding adherence to the rules.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Heath MacDonald
Mr. Genuis, he sat there and listened to you for a minute. You can sit there and listen to him for a minute.
We don't have interpreters.... We've already gone through this. This was published in the House of Parliament. It came back to us. There is an issue with interpreters when we talk over one another. I'll give you time—
Conservative
Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB
I have a point of order on the interpreters issue, Chair, because I think this is an important clarification.
We had a situation at natural resources. The chair there asserted that having multiple people talking on the microphones at the same time was a health and safety issue for interpreters. The chair had to come back to the committee and...well, he didn't apologize, but he corrected himself that although it is more difficult for the interpreters to interpret if you have multiple people talking, it is not a health and safety issue. The health and safety issue is engaged when there's a loop associated with the proximity of the earpiece to the microphone. I understand, obviously, that we want to avoid crosstalk, but it is not a health and safety issue for interpreters.
Further, I have the floor. I was given the floor. I moved a motion. I'd like to actually get back to the substance of it, because we have some important things to raise in relation to the subcommittee.
The motion is that the debate be resumed on the amendment. I didn't even have a chance to fully read the amendment—
Conservative
Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB
—at the time of the last meeting. I think it's important to highlight what we're actually talking about here.
Conservative
Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB
The Paul Bernardo case is one that this committee has studied but not reported on—
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Heath MacDonald
We have a challenge to the chair on my decision to allow you to continue. We'll deal with the challenge to the chair.
Conservative
Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB
Can I raise a quick point of order on that?
Conservative
Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB
If I'm cut off, it is appealable to the House, right?
The Standing Orders say that if a time limit is imposed without the consent of the committee or there's a limitation on someone's ability to speak, it can be raised in the House and the Speaker will nullify subsequent proceedings. Further, the Standing Orders also say that a decision by the chair in respect to time limits or number of times a member is speaking is not subject to a challenge to the chair.
Therefore, Mr. Bittle is actually not able to challenge the chair because of what the Standing Orders say.
Conservative
Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB
Thank you.
I'll find the relevant standing order.
Liberal
Chris Bittle Liberal St. Catharines, ON
I'll withdraw my motion and let Mr. Genuis get back to filibustering a bill that apparently he supports.
Conservative
Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB
Thank you, Chair.
The member is completely mis-characterizing events, and I will explain why. Chair, I have moved a motion. Was the motion heard, or should I reread the motion? There was a little bit of—
