Public Safety Committee on Sept. 19th, 2024

Evidence of meeting #118 for Public Safety and National Security in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was immigration.

A video is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

Election of Vice-Chairs

Review of the Foiled Terrorist Plot in Toronto and of the Security Screening Process for Permanent Residence and Citizenship Application

Committee Business

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Clerk of the Committee Mr. Simon Larouche

Aiesha Zafar Assistant Deputy Minister, Migration Integrity, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Harpreet S. Kochhar Deputy Minister, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Michael Duheme Commissioner, Royal Canadian Mounted Police

Ted Gallivan Executive Vice-President, Canada Border Services Agency

Vanessa Lloyd Interim Director, Canadian Security Intelligence Service

5:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

We can—

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Conservative

Raquel Dancho Conservative Kildonan—St. Paul, MB

I don't want it to be April 2025, and we still haven't heard a thing. Canadians deserve answers now.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

I understand. You can get back at us and hold our feet to the fire on that, absolutely.

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Conservative

Raquel Dancho Conservative Kildonan—St. Paul, MB

All right.

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Liberal

Jennifer O'Connell Liberal Pickering—Uxbridge, ON

Perhaps I could get clarification on what the subamendment actually is, then, because it's a rambling of taking and moving.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

Okay.

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Conservative

Raquel Dancho Conservative Kildonan—St. Paul, MB

I haven't actually moved it yet.

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Liberal

Jennifer O'Connell Liberal Pickering—Uxbridge, ON

Is the subamendment that the remaining three meetings be the ministers for two hours each, when the reports or when the findings are completed?

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

That's my understanding.

Is that correct, Ms. Dancho?

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Liberal

Jennifer O'Connell Liberal Pickering—Uxbridge, ON

I'd like to know before we vote on anything.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

She hasn't formally moved the motion.

Do we understand that correctly?

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Conservative

Raquel Dancho Conservative Kildonan—St. Paul, MB

Please repeat it.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

In the remaining three meetings of the current study, you are proposing to amend Ms. O'Connell's amendment to invite each of the two ministers to appear for two hours each.

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Conservative

Raquel Dancho Conservative Kildonan—St. Paul, MB

Plus officials.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

Plus officials.

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Conservative

Raquel Dancho Conservative Kildonan—St. Paul, MB

That's for a total of three meetings.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

That's for a total of three meetings. There would be one other meeting. It would be one minister for one meeting, one minister for another meeting—

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Conservative

Raquel Dancho Conservative Kildonan—St. Paul, MB

—and officials.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

—and officials.

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Conservative

Raquel Dancho Conservative Kildonan—St. Paul, MB

That's correct.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

Then we have Goodale.

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Liberal

Jennifer O'Connell Liberal Pickering—Uxbridge, ON

No, that's not what they said. This is why, with motions, if there's going to be a subamendment, we should have a subamendment moved and then speak to it.

The subamendment, as I've heard it just now, is three more meetings with each minister and officials after the reports are completed.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

I'll let you move the motion.

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Conservative

Raquel Dancho Conservative Kildonan—St. Paul, MB

Sure.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

I should advise the committee that we do have Ralph Goodale confirmed for next week.