Evidence of meeting #118 for Public Safety and National Security in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was immigration.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Simon Larouche
Aiesha Zafar  Assistant Deputy Minister, Migration Integrity, Department of Citizenship and Immigration
Harpreet S. Kochhar  Deputy Minister, Department of Citizenship and Immigration
Michael Duheme  Commissioner, Royal Canadian Mounted Police
Ted Gallivan  Executive Vice-President, Canada Border Services Agency
Vanessa Lloyd  Interim Director, Canadian Security Intelligence Service

5:10 p.m.

Conservative

Raquel Dancho Conservative Kildonan—St. Paul, MB

Perfect.

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

That would take up a third meeting for one hour for next week.

If you would like to move your subamendment, we'll get things squared away.

5:10 p.m.

Conservative

Raquel Dancho Conservative Kildonan—St. Paul, MB

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I'll move it momentarily. I just recall that when I was on this committee last, we were able to work together. Despite not agreeing on a lot, we were able to get a lot of work done. Therefore, in an effort to do that, I would like to move a subamendment to Ms. O'Connell.... Again, given that we didn't have notice of the amendment, I'll do the best I can to make it make sense.

I'll just read hers, and then I'll give it my best shot:

Given that the RCMP have arrested an additional alleged ISIS terrorist, who was preparing to carry out a massacre targeting the Jewish community in New York City, the committee expand its Review of the Foiled Terrorist Plot in Toronto and of the Security Screening Process for Permanent Residence and Citizenship Application to include questions around this more recent arrest in its meetings, and invite both the Minister of Public Safety and the Minister of Immigration to return for two hours respectively with officials, once the investigative findings have progressed.

I think that may be the best open-ended word, sir.

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

Is that clear to everybody?

Ms. Michaud, you have the floor.

Kristina Michaud Bloc Avignon—La Mitis—Matane—Matapédia, QC

Mr. Chair, could we get the French version of the subamendment by email? I think the clerk is writing it up.

I really like the idea of putting this off until we get the answers the minister was talking about. It would allow us to move forward with other work we have on the table. In particular, we have two study reports to check, one on car theft and one on the transfer of offenders. I think that would be agreeable to everybody. I don't know whether the clerk, after sending us the proposal, could tell us what's on the table for our upcoming meetings.

I want to make sure that everyone understands that it's three meetings, in other words, a meeting next week with Mr. Goodale for the first hour and with the officials for the second hour, a meeting with Minister Miller and a meeting with Minister LeBlanc.

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

That's pretty good and pretty close.

Pam Damoff Liberal Oakville North—Burlington, ON

I'm sorry. I'm confused.

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

We're going to get the subamendment out there.

Currently, we have Mr. Goodale scheduled for next Thursday. My thought was that on Tuesday, we would work on the auto theft study. We have Mr. Goodale for only one hour on Thursday, and we haven't really lined up anybody else for the second hour, because we've actually gone through the whole list of witnesses from the original motion. I would suggest, because I think these fine folk here are dying to tell us more information, that perhaps we can invite them back for the second hour with Mr. Goodale.

Jennifer O'Connell Liberal Pickering—Uxbridge, ON

Chair, that's not what's on the floor, with all due respect. There was an amendment moved that we must deal with. To then propose other new versions of it is up to the committee to decide.

I would like to get back to the witnesses at hand. We've prepared for this.

If you want to hold a subcommittee meeting to discuss the planning, we can do so. However, that's not appropriate now, when we have an amendment and a subamendment.

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

The discussion I'm having has nothing to do with the amendments.

Jennifer O'Connell Liberal Pickering—Uxbridge, ON

That's right, but—

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

The amendments are in process.

Jennifer O'Connell Liberal Pickering—Uxbridge, ON

Then let us go back to questioning.

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

Once the subamendment is distributed, we will have a discussion on it and vote on it.

Jennifer O'Connell Liberal Pickering—Uxbridge, ON

Then we should pause until we have the wording.

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

That's fair enough. We'll suspend.

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

Okay, everyone, we'll begin with the amendment to the amendment. Everyone have a quick look at that. Are there any more speakers to the subamendment? The subamendment is in blue.

Jennifer O'Connell Liberal Pickering—Uxbridge, ON

Chair, I have a point of order.

The “28 days of the adoption of this motion, or whichever is sooner”, was not said on the record, and you can't move a subamendment to an amendment, so we'd have to vote on the amendment—

An hon. member

Or you could get UC. Either way, I'm going to get to it.

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

You can't move an amendment to a subamendment.

Jennifer O'Connell Liberal Pickering—Uxbridge, ON

Right, but what was said on the record, which we were just getting translated during the break, the additional language we were attempting to add, was not said on the record, so that can't be included in what we're voting on now.

If, at the conclusion of those votes, someone wants to move that further, then they can do so, but that's not on the record.

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

I think that's a fair point. I'll take that point.

Ms. Dancho, go ahead.

5:25 p.m.

Conservative

Raquel Dancho Conservative Kildonan—St. Paul, MB

Thank you.

I agree that it's a fair point. We can vote on what was said—and I know the clerk typed that up—and then I will propose that either way, so we can do it quickly or we can do it slowly.

I believe some of the other parties are in agreement with the 28 days, just to ensure some accountability. We can do it whichever way you'd like. We can either do UC and allow me to just make that edit, or I can try to do it after, but either way, it's going to take longer the second way. I'm game for either.

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

Okay, so are we clear on what the original subamendment is without this other additional text?

Some hon. members

Agreed.