Evidence of meeting #129 for Public Safety and National Security in the 44th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was conservative.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

David Pugliese  Journalist, Ottawa Citizen, As an Individual
Brent Jolly  President, Canadian Association of Journalists
Hilary Smyth  Committee Clerk
Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Simon Larouche

5:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Raquel Dancho

If you vote yes, you affirm my decision. If you vote no, you affirm Ms. O'Connell's position. Voting yes supports what I said, and voting no doesn't.

The Clerk

Shall the decision of the chair be sustained?

5:10 p.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Raquel Dancho

We have a tie. I am the tiebreaker, and I vote yes.

(Ruling of the chair sustained: yeas 6; nays 5)

The Chair

Mr. Motz, go ahead.

5:10 p.m.

Conservative

Glen Motz Conservative Medicine Hat—Cardston—Warner, AB

I'd just like to add, as the mover of this motion, that I will accept Mr. MacGregor's amendment as a friendly amendment.

Jennifer O'Connell Liberal Pickering—Uxbridge, ON

No.

Hedy Fry Liberal Vancouver Centre, BC

No. There's no such thing as a friendly amendment.

5:10 p.m.

Conservative

Glen Motz Conservative Medicine Hat—Cardston—Warner, AB

It's okay, Hedy.

5:10 p.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Raquel Dancho

I'm going to confirm with the clerk how we distribute this subamendment.

It's not required that it be provided in writing, but I will ask Mr. MacGregor to repeat it one more time, slowly, for the interpreters, and to provide it in writing, perhaps as the conversation continues.

Thank you.

Alistair MacGregor NDP Cowichan—Malahat—Langford, BC

I'll read it very slowly.

I'm really only amending that first paragraph. It would read as follows:

That, once the committee has concluded both the study on Russian interference and disinformation campaigns in Canada and the study on electoral interference and criminal activities in Canada by agents of the Government of India, the committee proceed to the following matters in order:

Jennifer O'Connell Liberal Pickering—Uxbridge, ON

Chair, we need those in both official languages.

5:10 p.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Raquel Dancho

Ms. O'Connell, I did not call on you, but I don't see other hands, so you may go.

Jennifer O'Connell Liberal Pickering—Uxbridge, ON

It's a point of order, Madam Chair. We'd like that amendment in both official languages. That is the practice of this committee.

5:10 p.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Raquel Dancho

The clerk will be providing it momentarily.

Jennifer O'Connell Liberal Pickering—Uxbridge, ON

Well, then, we'll suspend until we have it in our email boxes and so that Dr. Fry also can receive it—

5:10 p.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Raquel Dancho

Ms. O'Connell, I am the chair and will decide if we suspend.

Is there anyone else who would like to speak to the amendment while we distribute it?

Go ahead, Ms. Damoff.

An hon. member

[Inaudible—Editor]

5:10 p.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Raquel Dancho

My apologies. Ms. O'Connell—

Pam Damoff Liberal Oakville North—Burlington, ON

I'm confused here. Are we suspended while we get it or are we speaking to the amendment?

5:10 p.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Raquel Dancho

We are speaking to the amendment while we wait to receive it. If you would like—

Jennifer O'Connell Liberal Pickering—Uxbridge, ON

I have a point of order.

5:10 p.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Raquel Dancho

Go ahead, Ms. O'Connell.

Jennifer O'Connell Liberal Pickering—Uxbridge, ON

That is not the practice of this committee.

We always suspend until we can receive amendments in writing in both official languages.

If you're choosing to ignore the official languages of this committee, that seems to be a pattern with the Conservative Party, but that is the practice of this committee.

We would like both official languages in writing and to not continue until we receive those amendments.

5:10 p.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Raquel Dancho

On the four different committees I have been on, there are times when that is adhered to and times when it is not. We will ensure there's no vote on it until everyone receives it, but if others would like to speak to the motion, we will continue to speak. I will ensure there is not a vote until everyone has had a chance to review it. When the clerk sends it out, we will suspend momentarily for the review.

It doesn't look like anyone wants to speak anyway, so if we could, we're going to make sure everyone is fine to not speak to the amendment at this point until it is received.

I'm getting a nod from Ms. Michaud.

We will suspend for a few minutes until everyone receives it.

5:15 p.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Raquel Dancho

We have received it in both official languages.

Are there any comments?

I have Ms. Damoff.