Evidence of meeting #67 for Public Safety and National Security in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was amendment.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Philippe Méla  Legislative Clerk
Rachel Mainville-Dale  Acting Director General, Firearms Policy, Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness
Sandro Giammaria  Counsel, Department of Justice
Phaedra Glushek  Counsel, Criminal Law Policy Section, Department of Justice
Rob Mackinnon  Director, Canadian Firearms Program, Royal Canadian Mounted Police
Kellie Paquette  Director General, Canadian Firearms Program, Royal Canadian Mounted Police
Pascale Bourassa  Acting Director General, Directorate of Security and Safeguards, Canadian Nuclear Safety Commission

9:50 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

The clerk would need a bit of time to look at it, so how about we suspend for a few minutes.

10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

The meeting is resumed.

There have been some discussions around the amendment.

Madam Michaud, do you want to move the amendment?

10 p.m.

Bloc

Kristina Michaud Bloc Avignon—La Mitis—Matane—Matapédia, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

We spoke with the legislative clerk and he has doubts about the English version as compared to the French version. It is the same thing as earlier. So we are instead going to move an amendment at report stage. It is simply a coordinating amendment with what we just dealt with. We will perhaps do it differently from what we had proposed here.

Ms. Damoff can therefore move her amendment as it stands and I will not propose to amend it for the moment.

10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

Thank you.

Ms. Damoff.

10 p.m.

Liberal

Pam Damoff Liberal Oakville North—Burlington, ON

I moved LIB-7, and I spoke to it, Chair, so it's on the floor. We'll just leave it at that.

Thank you.

10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

Is there any further discussion on LIB-7?

I have Mr. Lloyd.

10 p.m.

Conservative

Dane Lloyd Conservative Sturgeon River—Parkland, AB

I noticed that Ms. Damoff was saying that a reason is that somebody was out of the country. Is that the only reason that a CFO might need more than 24 hours? What's the context of this change, and what is the current rule right now?

10 p.m.

Acting Director General, Firearms Policy, Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness

Rachel Mainville-Dale

Maybe I can speak in terms of the first part of your question. Then I could hand it over to my colleague to answer the next part.

The question would be that especially in very remote and rural regions or up north, where they can't deliver to a peace officer or to a chief firearms officer within that 24-hour period, there could be an extension to give them sufficient time to be able to deliver it.

10 p.m.

Conservative

Dane Lloyd Conservative Sturgeon River—Parkland, AB

Is the amount of the extension prescribed in other parts of the legislation or is really up to the discretion of the CFO?

10 p.m.

Acting Director General, Firearms Policy, Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness

Rachel Mainville-Dale

Right now, it would be at the discretion of the CFO.

10 p.m.

Conservative

Dane Lloyd Conservative Sturgeon River—Parkland, AB

This amendment doesn't change that discretion.

10 p.m.

Acting Director General, Firearms Policy, Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness

Rachel Mainville-Dale

It would not change it.

10 p.m.

Conservative

Dane Lloyd Conservative Sturgeon River—Parkland, AB

Okay. Thank you.

10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

Is there any further discussion?

Is it the will of the committee to adopt this amendment?

10 p.m.

Conservative

Dane Lloyd Conservative Sturgeon River—Parkland, AB

On division.

(Amendment agreed to on division [See Minutes of Proceedings])

10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

That means PV-11 cannot be moved; NDP-14 cannot be moved; BQ-18 cannot be moved; LIB-8 cannot be moved; PV-12 cannot be moved; and NDP-15 cannot be moved.

Shall clause 37 carry?

10 p.m.

NDP

Peter Julian NDP New Westminster—Burnaby, BC

On division.

10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

Mr. Lloyd has requested a recorded vote.

(Clause 37 as amended agreed to: yeas 11; nays 0)

(On clause 38)

Mr. Lloyd has a question.

10:05 p.m.

Conservative

Dane Lloyd Conservative Sturgeon River—Parkland, AB

For the people back home who are watching, can the officials tell us what is the effect of clause 38?

10:05 p.m.

Acting Director General, Firearms Policy, Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness

Rachel Mainville-Dale

These provisions establish the record-keeping requirements of the CFO with respect to licences that are suspended further to a yellow flag regime or revoked as a result of a protection order. These provisions have been amended to require the CFO to keep track of changes and variations to prohibition and protection orders. Previously, this provision obligated the CFO to keep records of only prohibition orders and their issuance, rather than the variants or revocations.

10:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

Is that okay?

10:05 p.m.

Conservative

Dane Lloyd Conservative Sturgeon River—Parkland, AB

On division.

(Clause 38 agreed to on division)

(On clause 39)

10:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

Mr. Lloyd has a question.

10:05 p.m.

Conservative

Dane Lloyd Conservative Sturgeon River—Parkland, AB

Can the officials give us an explanation on clause 39?

10:05 p.m.

Acting Director General, Firearms Policy, Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness

Rachel Mainville-Dale

This provision would authorize the commissioner, the registrar and the CFO to disclose specific personal information to law enforcement agencies if there are reasonable grounds to suspect that an individual is using or has used a past or current licence to purchase a firearm for illegal trafficking purposes. The provision, also in the spirit of transparency, outlines what specific information may be shared.