Evidence of meeting #67 for Public Safety and National Security in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was amendment.
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon
Very well, thank you.
BQ-14 is withdrawn.
That takes us to LIB-4, and rather than do it after, I should be doing it first. If LIB-4 is adopted, NDP-11, BQ-15 and LIB-5 cannot be moved, due to a line conflict. Also, if LIB-4 is defeated, so is PV-8, as they are identical.
Madam Damoff, please.
Liberal
Pam Damoff Liberal Oakville North—Burlington, ON
Thank you.
Again, we're talking about cases of domestic violence predominately, although that's not the only situation. This change that we're proposing is really important in terms of ensuring that things happen in a timely manner, ensuring that the 24 hours is included here unless it's impossible. The example that was given to me was that the 24 hours is not possible because the owner is in Italy, so the CFO could determine that 24 hours was impossible for them to meet.
I think it's an important amendment to ensure that these firearms are turned in in a very timely manner, because we know that the most dangerous time for a woman when she leaves a domestic violence situation is within that first very short time period. It's happened time and again that a woman is killed within that first time frame, so I'm hoping that colleagues...and I thank Madame Michaud for withdrawing hers to support LIB-4.
Thank you so much for this and all your work on this bill.
I'll leave it there, Chair.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon
Thank you.
I'll not make the comment about speaking through the chair in that case.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon
Is there any further discussion on this amendment? I see no discussion.
(Amendment agreed to on division [See Minutes of Proceedings])
That brings us to PV-9.
I'm going to ask.... I'm not quite sure what the rules are here. I'm going to ask for unanimous consent for Ms. May to speak to her—
Green
Elizabeth May Green Saanich—Gulf Islands, BC
No, because this committee passed a motion that set out the terms that forced me to be here. My rights in report stage are removed and my rights to participate are not really....
It's a long story, but if you check the motion this committee passed, you'll find it sets out that I have a right to speak for a reasonable amount of time to any of my amendments, and that's the only time I'm allowed to speak. Generally, that's seen to be one minute.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon
I was referring to the marching orders from the House from Tuesday night that—
Green
Elizabeth May Green Saanich—Gulf Islands, BC
I don't think that affects.... I'm sorry, Chair. Check your—
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon
Anyway, if we can get unanimous consent for Ms. May to speak to her motion, it would be good.
Liberal
Taleeb Noormohamed Liberal Vancouver Granville, BC
Mr. Chair, if it's helpful, I'm happy to cede my one minute of time to Ms. May.
Green
Elizabeth May Green Saanich—Gulf Islands, BC
Thank you, Mr. Chair.
I think it's important to emphasize that because these rules were in the motion that governs all of this committee's work at clause-by-clause, it wouldn't be changed by the motion that was passed in the House. However, I appreciate everyone's good will.
I just want to say that this motion is to ensure that if a licence is revoked, all firearms are delivered to a peace officer. It's virtually the same, except that it removes the “lawfully dispose of” language. I hope that this will be acceptable.
Thank you.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon
Thank you.
Is there any discussion on this?
Go ahead, Madame Michaud.
Bloc
Kristina Michaud Bloc Avignon—La Mitis—Matane—Matapédia, QC
Thank you, Mr. Chair.
I may have missed part of the discussion. Did you say that BQ-15 could not be moved because we adopted LIB -4? BQ-15 proposes only to remove a word that the Liberals' amendment didn't affect.
Can I still move it? It's the same amendment as PV-9, in fact.
Liberal
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon
It could be I'm making a mistake. Let me just find out what's going on here.
Liberal
Pam Damoff Liberal Oakville North—Burlington, ON
This is a really important amendment. Whether it's Ms. May, the Bloc or us....
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon
As noted for.... If LIB-4 passes, there's a line conflict with BQ-15.
I'm sorry. BQ-15 cannot be moved due to a line conflict.
I apologize to Ms. May. PV-9 cannot be moved due to a line conflict, and NDP-12 cannot be moved due to a line conflict.
Liberal
Pam Damoff Liberal Oakville North—Burlington, ON
On a point of order, Chair, it might have changed how we dealt with the previous amendment had we known that PV-9 could not be moved, because this is a really important change. Had we known that, we might have done something differently on the previous amendment.
Liberal
Pam Damoff Liberal Oakville North—Burlington, ON
You didn't say PV-9, Chair.
When you went through the list, you stopped at LIB-5.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon
I'm sorry. Give me a minute.
When we talked about BQ-14, this whole long list, that same long list does not occur in my notes for LIB-4. However, I believe it is still affected by LIB-4.
Did you want to—