Evidence of meeting #67 for Public Safety and National Security in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was amendment.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Philippe Méla  Legislative Clerk
Rachel Mainville-Dale  Acting Director General, Firearms Policy, Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness
Sandro Giammaria  Counsel, Department of Justice
Phaedra Glushek  Counsel, Criminal Law Policy Section, Department of Justice
Rob Mackinnon  Director, Canadian Firearms Program, Royal Canadian Mounted Police
Kellie Paquette  Director General, Canadian Firearms Program, Royal Canadian Mounted Police
Pascale Bourassa  Acting Director General, Directorate of Security and Safeguards, Canadian Nuclear Safety Commission

11:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

(Amendment agreed to on division [See Minutes of Proceedings])

That brings us to BQ-24.

Ms. Michaud, you have the floor.

11:25 p.m.

Bloc

Kristina Michaud Bloc Avignon—La Mitis—Matane—Matapédia, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

This is the last amendment concerning cartridge magazines. If it is adopted, the entire bill would be consistent with the new provision requiring a valid licence for cartridge magazines.

I invite my colleagues to vote for this amendment.

11:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

Thank you.

I have Mr. Lloyd.

11:25 p.m.

Conservative

Dane Lloyd Conservative Sturgeon River—Parkland, AB

I have a quick question for the officials. Is “cartridge magazine” the appropriate terminology?

11:25 p.m.

Acting Director General, Firearms Policy, Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness

Rachel Mainville-Dale

Yes. It's actually defined in the Criminal Code.

11:25 p.m.

Conservative

Dane Lloyd Conservative Sturgeon River—Parkland, AB

Thank you.

11:25 p.m.

Acting Director General, Firearms Policy, Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness

Rachel Mainville-Dale

If I may, though, I have a quick question.

You're regulating the import and the export.

I thought you also intended to regulate acquisition. Do you have the regulatory authority to do that?

11:25 p.m.

Bloc

Kristina Michaud Bloc Avignon—La Mitis—Matane—Matapédia, QC

All the amendments I have moved coordinate with amendment BQ-3. This was a recommendation by legislative counsel. If something is missing, I can see about it with the legislative clerk, so that everything is in order.

Did you mean there is something missing?

11:25 p.m.

Acting Director General, Firearms Policy, Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness

Rachel Mainville-Dale

I think we will consult the legislative clerk to make sure the necessary regulations are adopted, if it is not already part of the Criminal Code.

11:25 p.m.

Bloc

Kristina Michaud Bloc Avignon—La Mitis—Matane—Matapédia, QC

Perfect.

Thank you.

11:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

Did you require some time to consult? Is that what I just heard?

11:30 p.m.

Acting Director General, Firearms Policy, Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness

Rachel Mainville-Dale

I think if we can.... Maybe not now, but I think we'd go back and look at this, because I think there are a few others that you're talking about at report stage, and this might be something you can do at report stage.

11:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

Very well. Thank you.

Is there any further discussion on this amendment?

G Ms. Damoff.

11:30 p.m.

Liberal

Pam Damoff Liberal Oakville North—Burlington, ON

Just to clarify what you were saying there, do you think there may be other places where we need to add “magazine”? Is that what you were saying?

May 11th, 2023 / 11:30 p.m.

Acting Director General, Firearms Policy, Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness

Rachel Mainville-Dale

Thank you for the question.

It's because you are changing paragraph 117(k.1) with regard to respecting the importation and exportation and then you're adding “cartridge magazine”. I just have a little moment of doubt to just make sure that if there is regulation-making authority that you want to do for acquiring, because the intent is to require a licence to purchase a magazine, and I would just want to make sure that's absolutely clear.

11:30 p.m.

Liberal

Pam Damoff Liberal Oakville North—Burlington, ON

Okay. Thank you.

11:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

Is there any further discussion?

Go ahead, Mr. Hoback.

11:30 p.m.

Conservative

Randy Hoback Conservative Prince Albert, SK

If you're unsure about it, is this something we should park or should we actually deal with it at this point in time?

11:30 p.m.

Acting Director General, Firearms Policy, Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness

Rachel Mainville-Dale

I think there are different ways that you could look at this, and it could be a coordinating amendment that you do at report stage, as for others that the committee has decided to park.

11:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

If this becomes an issue and if it could be dealt with at report stage, I think it would be best, because we're going to be running out of time to get back to things we've parked. I propose that we proceed to a vote on this amendment.

Do we have unanimous consent?

11:30 p.m.

An hon. member

On division.

11:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

(Amendment agreed to on division [See Minutes of Proceedings])

11:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

Shall clause 45 as amended carry on division?

11:30 p.m.

Conservative

Dane Lloyd Conservative Sturgeon River—Parkland, AB

No. I want to discuss this one, actually.

11:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

Mr. Lloyd, go ahead.