Public Safety Committee on Oct. 18th, 2023

[Leslyn Lewis, Conservative, Haldimand—Norfolk, ON]

Do the Conservatives have a current motion on this issue on the floor?

[The Chair, Liberal, Ron McKinnon]

No, they do not.

[Glen Motz, Conservative, Medicine Hat—Cardston—Warner, AB]

The Liberals do.

[The Chair, Liberal, Ron McKinnon]

No, they do not.

[Glen Motz, Conservative, Medicine Hat—Cardston—Warner, AB]

Did that get withdrawn?

[A voice]

We adjourned.

[Leslyn Lewis, Conservative, Haldimand—Norfolk, ON]

Can the clerk clarify that matter?

[The Chair, Liberal, Ron McKinnon]

The clerk doesn't need to clarify. As I have said several times already in this meeting, we did not continue that debate. We did not continue those motions when we adjourned our last meeting; therefore, those motions are no longer on the floor.

Mr. Julian, go ahead.

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

I have a point of order.

[The Chair, Liberal, Ron McKinnon]

Yes, Mr. Genuis, go ahead on a point of order.

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

Thank you, Chair.

The rule is that when a verbal notice of motion is provided, it appears in the minutes of the meeting—

[The Chair, Liberal, Ron McKinnon]

Mr. Genuis—

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

May I finish the sentence, Chair?

[The Chair, Liberal, Ron McKinnon]

No, you may not.

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

Mr. Julian—

[The Chair, Liberal, Ron McKinnon]

Excuse me, but we're debating a matter that's already been decided by the committee and confirmed by the committee, so let's carry on.

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

Chair, that's not what I'm raising. You haven't even heard my point of order and you're already proactively ruling on it.

My point of order is with respect to the accuracy of the minutes of the last meeting. Mr. Julian is quite convinced, and I'm sure he's sincerely convinced, that he gave a verbal notice of motion at the last meeting. However, I reviewed the minutes, and the minutes do not contain that notice of motion. Either Mr. Julian is not correct or the minutes are not correct. However, for the benefit of members, the minutes should be correct so that we know what's—

[The Chair, Liberal, Ron McKinnon]

We will encourage the clerk to address that matter.

However, the matter is irrelevant at this point, because a decision has been made and confirmed by the committee.

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

Mr. Chair, it's not irrelevant.

[The Chair, Liberal, Ron McKinnon]

We are going forward with this meeting.

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

I understand that you ruled that the motion is on the floor, but my issue is—

[Chris Bittle, Liberal, St. Catharines, ON]

[Inaudible—Editor]

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

Mr. Bittle, yes, it is annoying when you talk over me.

[The Chair, Liberal, Ron McKinnon]

Okay, guys, settle down, please.

Please come to your point.

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

My point, Chair, is that if this motion was put on notice—which I agree, to Mr. Julian's point, is an important fact—then he is in a very strong position in terms of being able to move the motion. However, it is not in the minutes. We should have accurate minutes, as members, so we know what motions to expect. Certainly my expectation coming here was that this motion was not on notice, because it was not in the minutes.

You could ask us to review the written record of what every member said, but it is not in the minutes. So I would like you to come back to the committee about the accuracy of the minutes, Chair.