Evidence of meeting #78 for Public Safety and National Security in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was amendment.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Lesley McCoy  General Counsel, Civilian Review and Complaints Commission for the Royal Canadian Mounted Police
Joanne Gibb  Senior Director, Strategic Operations and Policy Directorate, Civilian Review and Complaints Commission for the Royal Canadian Mounted Police
Philippe Méla  Legislative Clerk
Martin Leuchs  Manager, Border Policy Division, Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness
Randall Koops  Director General, International Border Policy, Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness
Alfredo Bangloy  Assistant Commissioner and Professional Responsibility Officer, Royal Canadian Mounted Police
Cathy Maltais  Director, Recourse Directorate, Canada Border Services Agency
Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Simon Larouche

5:20 p.m.

NDP

Peter Julian NDP New Westminster—Burnaby, BC

I'm offering it as a subamendment, so we can hopefully get both done in one shot.

5:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

We'll get the French version.

5:25 p.m.

NDP

Peter Julian NDP New Westminster—Burnaby, BC

The wording would be “six months after March 31 each year”.

5:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

Mr. Julian, the clerk would like to ask you a question.

October 25th, 2023 / 5:25 p.m.

Philippe Méla Legislative Clerk

Do you want to keep “after the end of each fiscal year” or make it just “each year”?

5:25 p.m.

NDP

Peter Julian NDP New Westminster—Burnaby, BC

I'm not sure what line in the bill you are referring to.

5:25 p.m.

Legislative Clerk

Philippe Méla

It's at line 18 on page 8 in the French version.

5:25 p.m.

NDP

Peter Julian NDP New Westminster—Burnaby, BC

We would keep the words “within the first six months” as proposed in the government's amendment, but then the words “after the end of each fiscal year” would be replaced by “after March 31 each year”.

5:25 p.m.

Legislative Clerk

Philippe Méla

Okay.

In English, it would be the same thing. You would replace “after the end of each fiscal year” with “after March 31 each year”.

5:25 p.m.

NDP

Peter Julian NDP New Westminster—Burnaby, BC

Yes.

5:25 p.m.

Legislative Clerk

Philippe Méla

Thank you.

5:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

I think we're clear about the wording.

Is there any further discussion on this amendment?

Go ahead, Ms. O'Connell.

5:25 p.m.

Liberal

Jennifer O'Connell Liberal Pickering—Uxbridge, ON

Can I just get clarity that “within six months after March 31 of each year” is going to be added to our amendment and is going to replace NDP-8?

Okay. That's perfect. We're fine with that.

(Subamendment agreed to)

(Amendment as amended agreed to)

5:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

That means that BQ-0.2 cannot be moved, because it is identical.

That bring us to NDP-9.

Mr. Julian, go ahead.

5:25 p.m.

NDP

Peter Julian NDP New Westminster—Burnaby, BC

Thank you.

This amendment applies to clause 13, with respect to specifying the number of complaints filed, by replacing line 32 on page 8 with the following:

plaints, including those, if any, disposed of through the reconciliation process with Indigenous peoples;

Breaking Barriers Together also made this recommendation. It applies to the Canada Border Services Agency. Needless to say, it raises the manner in which issues related to the RCMP are addressed; in the bill, it is dealt with mainly at the provincial level. What I am proposing here is to mention the agency, the way complaints are handled, and the reconciliation process.

5:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

Thank you, Mr. Julian.

Is there any discussion on this?

Mr. Shipley, go ahead.

5:30 p.m.

Conservative

Doug Shipley Conservative Barrie—Springwater—Oro-Medonte, ON

Very briefly, yes, we think this is a good amendment. I will be supporting this.

(Amendment agreed to)

5:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

That brings us to LIB-1.

Go ahead, Ms. O'Connell.

5:30 p.m.

Liberal

Jennifer O'Connell Liberal Pickering—Uxbridge, ON

Thanks, Mr. Chair.

This amendment will add (e.1) and it will read:

set out the number of matters or complaints that were referred to the National Security and Intelligence Review Agency under subsections 31(2), 52(8) and 53(4)

To quickly speak to this, this was in response to a request that the annual report would require the chairperson to include a line about how many investigations were referred to NSIRA. It was indicated in testimony that this is already being done, but requiring it would have the benefit of transparency.

(Amendment agreed to)

5:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

This brings us to G-2.

Again, we have Ms. O'Connell.

5:30 p.m.

Liberal

Jennifer O'Connell Liberal Pickering—Uxbridge, ON

Or anyone.

5:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

Or anyone. I'm sorry. Share the load.

5:30 p.m.

Liberal

Jennifer O'Connell Liberal Pickering—Uxbridge, ON

I'll look forward to that, anyone.

This adds under proposed paragraph 13(2)(f).... If the legislative clerk wants to, he can let me know if that's wrong. It contains data about complaints, including disaggregated data. The change is:

demographic and

5:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

Is there any discussion on this amendment?

5:30 p.m.

Liberal

Jennifer O'Connell Liberal Pickering—Uxbridge, ON

Again, it's just to ensure that it's not just race-based data. It's that demographic data also be disaggregated. It should be pretty clear.