Evidence of meeting #8 for Public Safety and National Security in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was chair.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Wassim Bouanani
Evelyn Fox  Founder, Communities for Zero Violence
Richard Miller  Founder, Keep6ix
Heidi Rathjen  Coordinator, PolySeSouvient
Wendy Cukier  President, Coalition for Gun Control
Marcell Wilson  Founder, One By One Movement Inc.
Boufeldja Benabdallah  Spokesman, Centre culturel islamique de Québec

12:10 p.m.

Conservative

Tako Van Popta Conservative Langley—Aldergrove, BC

Mr. Chair, thank you.

I agree with my colleague Mr. Lloyd who just spoke previously. I think this is a very important motion that Mr. MacGregor is putting forward. I would support it, of course, with the amendment, which it sounds like he's agreeing to, that the OPP be added.

I understand Ms. Damoff's arguments, but I don't think they're convincing. Everything is always a moving target, but that doesn't stop us from studying it. I believe it's just very timely for us to get the witnesses in here now for us to understand what is going on. That's the work that the public safety committee should be doing, and I certainly support that we go ahead with it as soon as possible.

Thank you.

12:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Jim Carr

Who's next with their hand up in the room, Clerk?

12:10 p.m.

The Clerk

It's Mr. Shipley.

12:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Jim Carr

Mr. Shipley, go ahead.

12:10 p.m.

Conservative

Doug Shipley Conservative Barrie—Springwater—Oro-Medonte, ON

Thank you, Chair.

I also feel that Mr. MacGregor's motion was quite appropriate. I won't be supporting the amendment to that by Ms. Damoff.

We are getting tons of questions, as I'm sure all parliamentarians are as to what's going on right now. We're getting blanketed with emails every day. People are looking for answers now. They're looking for what's going on and how this is going to get resolved.

I definitely think now is the time to do it. I'll be supporting Mr. MacGregor's motion and not the amendment. But regarding the OPP being added in there, I would point out that a lot of these incidents that have been taking place have been doing so with a tremendous amount of OPP support. I hear they're quite involved in the Ottawa situation now. Many of the border crossings have been handled, and I'm seeing a lot of OPP uniforms. So I would like that amendment being added to the motion, but definitely now is the time to be looking at this. It's not time to put this off. Our constituents, our residents, are looking for answers now, not later.

Thank you, Chair.

12:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Jim Carr

I believe there's one more hand up in the room, Clerk. Who would that be?

12:10 p.m.

The Clerk

It's Madame Michaud, Mr. Chair.

12:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Jim Carr

Madame Michaud, go ahead.

12:10 p.m.

Bloc

Kristina Michaud Bloc Avignon—La Mitis—Matane—Matapédia, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I'm inclined to agree with what Mr. Shipley just said. Mr. MacGregor's motion is good, and the words “as soon as possible” still allow us to be flexible and decide in subcommittee when this will happen. It could be after this study or a little sooner. We can decide on that later.

I will therefore support the motion in its current form, but I won't support the amendment, even though Ms. Damoff made some good arguments.

12:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Jim Carr

Ms. Damoff, I see that your hand is up.

12:10 p.m.

Liberal

Pam Damoff Liberal Oakville North—Burlington, ON

Just really quickly, Chair, I think it's important to note again that we are actually studying this issue in depth. This isn't a one-time opportunity to hear from them. We've already approved a study that will include a number of these issues.

Having said that, I've given my arguments on why the amendment is useful. It seems pretty obvious that it's going to fail, so I'll leave it there.

12:15 p.m.

The Clerk

There are no more hands up in the room, Mr. Chair.

12:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Jim Carr

I don't see any hands anywhere.

Clerk, let's move to calling for the votes.

The motion to amend would be up first.

12:15 p.m.

The Clerk

The question is on the amendment moved by Ms. Damoff.

12:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Jim Carr

(Amendment negatived: nays 6; yeas 5 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

12:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Jim Carr

The amendment to the motion does not pass.

We move now to the main motion.

Can you do the roll call, please, Mr. Clerk?

12:15 p.m.

Conservative

Dane Lloyd Conservative Sturgeon River—Parkland, AB

Mr. Chair, I have a point of order.

12:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Jim Carr

Yes.

12:15 p.m.

Conservative

Dane Lloyd Conservative Sturgeon River—Parkland, AB

Well, it's not a point of order. I believe we're now debating the main motion. We don't necessarily have to jump to a vote right away on this.

12:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Jim Carr

Go ahead.

12:15 p.m.

Conservative

Dane Lloyd Conservative Sturgeon River—Parkland, AB

I want to move an amendment, as I indicated previously, that we add the OPP to the list of witnesses. I think it's been very clear to everyone throughout the past number of weeks [Technical difficulty—Editor] police forces across the country. I think as the public safety committee, it would be very important for us to review that coordination between police services. I think a lot of Canadians, particularly people in Ottawa, are quite upset by what they perceive, rightly or wrongly, to be a lack of action by the Ottawa police force, and have questions about what the role of the OPP would be.

We also know, from yesterday's press conference on the Emergencies Act, that it's being proposed that the RCMP will be given the powers to enforce municipal bylaws. We know that the OPP is the primary police force in Ontario, so I think it would be very important to include them as well. We need to make sure that all of our police forces are working in tandem, working together, and that we know what they're intending to do with these new powers that the government has received under the Emergencies Act.

The public safety committee has an essential role to review and safeguard Canadian civil liberties. I know, or I believe, all members of this committee believe in that mission and support that mission. So without further ado, I say let's move this motion to get the OPP added onto the calendar here.

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

12:15 p.m.

Liberal

Ron McKinnon Liberal Coquitlam—Port Coquitlam, BC

I have a point of order, please.

12:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Jim Carr

Go ahead, Mr. McKinnon.

12:15 p.m.

Liberal

Ron McKinnon Liberal Coquitlam—Port Coquitlam, BC

I believe we're probably done speaking with these witnesses. I suggest we give them our profuse thanks and ask them to withdraw.

12:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Jim Carr

If we can deal with the amendment and the motion within the next two or three minutes, there would still be almost 10 minutes left. Why don't we deal with the motion first and then make the decision about whether to dismiss the witnesses?

Is there any other discussion of the proposed amendment?