Evidence of meeting #99 for Public Safety and National Security in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was information.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Simon Larouche
Andre Arbour  Director General, Strategy and Innovation Policy Sector, Department of Industry

6:30 p.m.

Liberal

Jennifer O'Connell Liberal Pickering—Uxbridge, ON

Yes, I haven't moved the subamendment yet.

6:30 p.m.

Conservative

Doug Shipley Conservative Barrie—Springwater—Oro-Medonte, ON

We were looking to add a paragraph (h), Ms. O'Connell, and it would basically be proposed subsection 15.2(6.1) from CPC-8.1. We would move that as the subamendment, if that's making any sense.

6:30 p.m.

Conservative

Glen Motz Conservative Medicine Hat—Cardston—Warner, AB

That would be proposed subsection 15.21(3), wouldn't it?

6:30 p.m.

Conservative

Doug Shipley Conservative Barrie—Springwater—Oro-Medonte, ON

No, it would be paragraphs (f), (g) and (h).

6:30 p.m.

Conservative

Glen Motz Conservative Medicine Hat—Cardston—Warner, AB

No. It's paragraphs (f) and (g) and proposed subsection 15.21(3).

6:30 p.m.

Conservative

Doug Shipley Conservative Barrie—Springwater—Oro-Medonte, ON

It could be.

6:30 p.m.

Liberal

Jennifer O'Connell Liberal Pickering—Uxbridge, ON

I understand what you're saying.

6:30 p.m.

Conservative

Doug Shipley Conservative Barrie—Springwater—Oro-Medonte, ON

Do we want it as proposed subsection 15.21(3) or paragraph (h)? Are we just adding it as an extra paragraph?

6:30 p.m.

Liberal

Jennifer O'Connell Liberal Pickering—Uxbridge, ON

I'm just wondering, though, if that's only dealing with the number of times an order was “made under” and “prevailed over a decision” or if it's the number of times.... I guess it's “or”.

Could we park this one and work on some language to get consistency in what you want to add? Then we can see if it still complies. That's unless everybody else wants to move forward. I think it would make some sense for us to come together on this one.

6:30 p.m.

Conservative

Doug Shipley Conservative Barrie—Springwater—Oro-Medonte, ON

I think there's some agreement that we want to see something here. I agree; let's park this, if that's the will of the committee. I agree with what my other colleague said. It would be better if we go with our extra paragraph and make it subsection 3 by adding what's in CPC-8.1, but I'm also fine with parking it, Ms. O'Connell.

6:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Heath MacDonald

The easiest thing to do right now, I'm told, is to suspend for five minutes. We'll get this straightened out, because it may affect some other parts.

Is that okay?

6:30 p.m.

Conservative

Doug Shipley Conservative Barrie—Springwater—Oro-Medonte, ON

Do you understand what we're trying to do?

6:30 p.m.

The Clerk

If you could put it in writing, that will help us.

6:30 p.m.

Liberal

Jennifer O'Connell Liberal Pickering—Uxbridge, ON

Let me just double-check.

6:30 p.m.

Conservative

Doug Shipley Conservative Barrie—Springwater—Oro-Medonte, ON

We have it in writing.

6:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Heath MacDonald

We'll suspend for at least five minutes.

6:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Heath MacDonald

Let's reconvene, please.

Mr. Shipley, please, would you read the subamendment?

6:45 p.m.

Conservative

Doug Shipley Conservative Barrie—Springwater—Oro-Medonte, ON

I do apologize. It took a bit longer, but sometimes that's the way it goes. I think we have a good compromise now.

We will add, as our subamendment, subsection (3), which will state:

The report shall state the number of times that an order prevailed over a decision of the Commission made under this Act during the previous fiscal year and must cause the report to be tabled before each House of Parliament on any of the first 15 days on which the House is sitting after the report is completed.

6:45 p.m.

Conservative

Glen Motz Conservative Medicine Hat—Cardston—Warner, AB

What about paragraphs (e) and (f)?

6:45 p.m.

Conservative

Doug Shipley Conservative Barrie—Springwater—Oro-Medonte, ON

Jennifer is doing those. They had to be done separately.

6:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Heath MacDonald

Are there two subamendments?

6:45 p.m.

Liberal

Jennifer O'Connell Liberal Pickering—Uxbridge, ON

Well, we'll vote on this and then do ours.

6:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Heath MacDonald

Shall we call for a vote? All in favour?

(Subamendment agreed to)

6:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Heath MacDonald

We're going to move on to the second subamendment.

Ms. O'Connell, please go ahead.

6:45 p.m.

Liberal

Jennifer O'Connell Liberal Pickering—Uxbridge, ON

We are just sorting out the French translation. I think the law clerk can help with that. You wouldn't want me to attempt that. I'd probably make it worse.

My subamendment, as I've stated, is for proposed paragraph 15.21(2)(e). I'll start with that one. It would change “number of” to “description of compliance”. Then in proposed paragraph 15.21(2)(f), very similarly, we would to replace “number of” with “description of compliance”.