Evidence of meeting #23 for Public Safety and National Security in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was move.

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On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

Arbour  Director General, Telecommunications and Internet Policy Branch, Department of Industry

5:25 p.m.

Conservative

Frank Caputo Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Nicola, BC

Yes.

5:25 p.m.

Director General, Telecommunications and Internet Policy Branch, Department of Industry

Andre Arbour

The issue I'm grappling with in proposed subsection 15.701(2) is that it would require us to notify a telecommunications service provider about the disposal of personal information.

The concern is less a conflict in law, as we would have to basically.... My apologies for being slow here. I think that whether there's an actual legal conflict, there's certainly a policy conflict in terms of how we would try to interpret the spirit of the provisions, because we are required to dispose of the information as soon as it's no longer needed or in accordance with the Privacy Act, but then we're also supposed to communicate with the telecom service provider about what we've done.

For us to communicate that, it almost gets into having to specify the information in question, which involves us.... How would we talk about the personal information without again using the personal information in some shape or form? We don't foresee using personal information under these authorities, so it may be moot in practice, but in reality there does appear to be effectively a conflict here.

5:25 p.m.

Conservative

Frank Caputo Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Nicola, BC

Given that, then, I won't try to make the legislation any more complicated. The officials can get one there. I won't move that amendment.

The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos

Thank you, MP Caputo.

Not moving CPC-34 brings us to CPC-35, on which, according to my understanding, there may also be a redundancy with BQ-7.

5:25 p.m.

Conservative

Frank Caputo Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Nicola, BC

Yes. I will not be moving that one.

The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos

Thank you.

That brings us to CPC-36.

Is CPC-36 being moved?

5:25 p.m.

Conservative

Frank Caputo Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Nicola, BC

Well, I do note the time, Mr. Chair, but I will work however many hours you want me to work—

Some hon. members

Oh, oh!

5:25 p.m.

Conservative

Frank Caputo Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Nicola, BC

—but I think our Liberal colleagues have somewhere to be at 5:30. I'll let you have mercy on our Liberal colleagues.

The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos

There is some good news here and some bad news. The good news is that MP Caputo is willing to work all the time and every time. The bad news is that he cannot work alone. He needs other colleagues.

If I understand well, there will be a motion to adjourn.

MP DeBellefeuille.

Claude DeBellefeuille Bloc Beauharnois—Salaberry—Soulanges—Huntingdon, QC

Before you adjourn, Mr. Chair, I want to thank the interpreters. Today, once again, they did such an outstanding job that I was able to respond in real time. I would like to thank them, because it really makes a big difference to us. Kudos to them.

The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos

Well done. I think your appreciation is widely shared.

Obviously, we'll have the opportunity a little later, even though we should be doing it every day, to thank even more people who work very hard in this room and elsewhere. That will be for another day.

In the meantime, we will have a meeting on Thursday on another topic, and we will obviously continue the clause-by-clause consideration of Bill C‑8 on February 24, when we get back from our constituency week.