Evidence of meeting #23 for Public Safety and National Security in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was move.
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos
Thank you, Mr. Ramsay.
Is there any further debate?
(Amendment negatived [See Minutes of Proceedings])
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos
That brings us to BQ‑6.
Mrs. DeBellefeuille, would you like to speak to BQ‑6?
Bloc
Claude DeBellefeuille Bloc Beauharnois—Salaberry—Soulanges—Huntingdon, QC
Yes.
BQ‑6 makes it possible to add new restrictions on the information collected. Again, this clarification was really inspired by the Privacy Commissioner's testimony. Therefore, I encourage my colleagues to be sensitive to the commissioner's recommendation, which we think is quite wise under the circumstances.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos
Thank you, Mrs. DeBellefeuille.
Is there any more discussion on BQ‑6?
(Amendment agreed to [ See Minutes of Proceedings ])
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos
We'll move on to PV‑7, which is deemed to be moved.
Ms. May, you have the floor.
Green
Elizabeth May Green Saanich—Gulf Islands, BC
Mr. Chair, I think PV‑7 is very similar to BQ‑6, which was moved by Mrs. DeBellefeuille and which we adopted. Based on the clerk's opinion, I think my amendment is too similar to the one already adopted.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos
Thank you, Ms. May. I take it, then, that you're not moving your amendment.
Green
Elizabeth May Green Saanich—Gulf Islands, BC
I don't have the authority to make that decision, Mr. Chair. I'm not allowed to decide whether or not to move my amendments in committee.
I find it really offensive that I'm in this position that I can neither move my amendments nor ask for them to be withdrawn, so I am in your hands.
I point out the reality that I can't vote on, withdraw or comment on my amendments beyond the brief time allowed in the motion that this committee passed.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos
That is correct, Madam May. Your expertise and your experience show again.
That amendment, having been moved by default, means that we cannot withdraw it unless there is unanimous consent to do so.
Mr. Caputo.
Conservative
Liberal
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos
Thank you, Ms. May, for helping us get through this.
That brings us to CPC‑22.
Is that amendment being moved?
Conservative
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos
Good. Therefore, CPC‑22 will not be moved.
That brings us to NDP‑7, which is deemed to be moved.
Ms. Kwan, the floor is yours.
NDP
Jenny Kwan NDP Vancouver East, BC
Mr. Chair, this amendment is about the collection and disclosure of personal information under the bill, which is not presently limited by necessity or proportionality requirements. This amendment proposes an inclusion in proposed subparagraph 15.5(4)(c) to balance the disclosure of sensitive information with the gravity of the threat to the Canadian telecommunications system.
I won't read the clause into the record, Mr. Chair. That clause is available to all members in both official languages.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos
Thank you, Ms. Kwan.
Is there any further discussion on this?
Mr. Caputo, you have the floor.
Conservative
Frank Caputo Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Nicola, BC
Mr. Chair, I wonder if my colleague would consent to an amendment to part (c) that reads, “the Minister believes on reasonable grounds that the disclosure is reasonable in relation to the gravity of the threat, and necessary to secure the Canadian telecommunications system”.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos
We could pause for a moment, Madam Kwan, if that would be useful.
We'll suspend and we'll come back in a few minutes.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos
We're able to start again.
There was a bit of confusion, as you know. Ultimately, there will be no subamendment proposed for NDP‑7.
We will now resume the discussion on NDP‑7.
Mr. Caputo, you have the floor.
Conservative
Frank Caputo Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Nicola, BC
Mr. Chair, the parties have discussed this. I think the most prudent manoeuvre would be that we seek to withdraw NDP-7. We would need unanimous consent for that, and we would also need UC for me to move CPC-22 to eventually accomplish what we're trying to accomplish with the amendment.
Liberal