Evidence of meeting #40 for Public Safety and National Security in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was c-22.

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On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

Saad  Chair, Privacy and Access Law Section, Canadian Bar Associaton
Surgenor  Counsel, Canadian Constitution Foundation
Hatfield  Executive Director, OpenMedia
Alqazzaz  Executive Director, Canadian Muslim Public Affairs Council
McSorley  Senior Fellow, Centre for Free Expression
Tiwari  Vice-President, Strategy and Global Affairs, Signal

The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos

No, MP Caputo, we have—

5:45 p.m.

Conservative

Frank Caputo Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Nicola, BC

Mr. Chair, so he gets to call—

The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos

No, MP Caputo, I'm sorry.

I am the chair, and I'm going to—

5:45 p.m.

Conservative

Frank Caputo Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Nicola, BC

I understand, but he called it fake.

The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos

We're going to suspend and adjourn soon.

The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos

I call the meeting back to order.

To wrap up the discussion, I'll ask the clerk to check whether the committee members want to question my ruling on the point of privilege.

5:45 p.m.

Conservative

Frank Caputo Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Nicola, BC

Is this regarding the point of privilege?

The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos

No. We are going to end that discussion with a clear decision on whether the committee members want to overrule my decision on the question of privilege I described before the break.

Mr. Clerk, please proceed with a roll call.

Claude DeBellefeuille Bloc Beauharnois—Salaberry—Soulanges—Huntingdon, QC

Mr. Chair, it's that—

The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos

I am doing it now, and we'll see what the outcome is.

Mr. Clerk, please go ahead.

Claude DeBellefeuille Bloc Beauharnois—Salaberry—Soulanges—Huntingdon, QC

Excuse me, but I don't even know what we're talking about. Is this a motion tabled spontaneously?

The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos

Yes.

Claude DeBellefeuille Bloc Beauharnois—Salaberry—Soulanges—Huntingdon, QC

What's the motion, exactly?

The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos

A question was asked about a point of privilege.

Claude DeBellefeuille Bloc Beauharnois—Salaberry—Soulanges—Huntingdon, QC

Yes.

The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos

I informed the committee of my ruling.

Claude DeBellefeuille Bloc Beauharnois—Salaberry—Soulanges—Huntingdon, QC

Was it about the documents? What was it about?

The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos

It was felt that a violation of the members' privilege had occurred because of delays in translation. Reports from the Privacy Commissioner were discussed. I informed the committee of my ruling that no violation of the members' privilege had occurred. This ruling was challenged, which is entirely possible. The clerk will check whether the majority of committee members want to challenge the chair's ruling.

5:50 p.m.

Conservative

Frank Caputo Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Nicola, BC

Nobody has challenged your ruling yet. You cannot challenge your own ruling.

The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos

MP Caputo, I will—

5:50 p.m.

Conservative

Frank Caputo Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Nicola, BC

I will challenge—

The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos

Mr. Caputo, you don't have the floor. I have the floor.

5:50 p.m.

Conservative

Frank Caputo Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Nicola, BC

I would ask for the floor, please.

The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos

I am going to adjourn this meeting.