Evidence of meeting #43 for Science and Research in the 44th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was funding.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Justine De Jaegher  Director, Political Action and Communications, Canadian Association of University Teachers
Michel Lacroix  President and Treasurer, Fédération québécoise des professeures et professeurs d'université
Sarah Laframboise  Executive Director, Support Our Science, As an Individual
Maydianne Andrade  President and Co-Founder, Canadian Black Scientists Network
Julia Messina-Pacheco  Vice-President, Science and Policy Exchange
Gavin Douglas  Co-President, Science and Policy Exchange

Prof. Maydianne Andrade

Every graduate and undergraduate department in the country has to be reviewed periodically by external reviewers. It was in that context that colleagues from the University of Alberta and Western University went to an institution that I won't name and discovered how desperately poor their graduate students were. Scientists take a long time to change. They were still accepting students at the levels they had previously, even though their grants had flattened out and expenses had gone up.

Our recommendation was that they have to pay these students a living wage, that they have to give them more money, which means taking fewer students. For most of the institutions I've seen across Canada, I would have the same recommendation.

I think that even though we're slow at making change, as this kind of movement makes it more and more clear to PIs that their students are struggling to this extent—going to food banks—this is going to happen across the country. It's going to gut our innovation ecosystem.

Richard Cannings NDP South Okanagan—West Kootenay, BC

Thank you.

The Chair Liberal Lloyd Longfield

Thank you.

We have a minute that Mr. Cannings has given me.

I'm thinking back to the 1970s, when I was studying. I remember those years and the years of early marriage, cashing in the beer bottles so we could get gas for the car to go and watch a non-black and white TV. The solutions need to be in front of us and we need to find those solutions together.

Thank you to the witnesses for working on this problem with us and to the guests that have come to see us deliberate on this. We will continue our deliberations on this study. We'll move forward and get a report back that will be public. We'll continue to work together. Thank you for that.

We're going to move to the next part of the meeting, which is a fairly brief part, hopefully. It's the project budget for the study that we're doing.

We have circulated a budget. For parliamentary studies like this, the budget in front of us is $23,000. It's to help the people to come as witnesses and to pay for the running of the meeting. Do we have agreement around the room?

Some hon. members

Agreed.

The Chair Liberal Lloyd Longfield

Great, thank you. Thank you to the clerk for preparing that.

Mr. Mazier.

12:55 p.m.

Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Dauphin—Swan River—Neepawa, MB

Mr. Chair, I have point of order.

I just have a motion I want to put forward on the written response from UBC and Calgary. Could it be made public?

The Chair Liberal Lloyd Longfield

Any written responses that we get will be put on our website. We'll make sure they're public, as well.

12:55 p.m.

Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Dauphin—Swan River—Neepawa, MB

Thank you.

The Chair Liberal Lloyd Longfield

Thank you.

The next meeting is on Thursday, May 11. We'll be resuming this study. We'll also be providing drafting instructions to support the IP commercialization report, which was the work we did previous to this study. We will also be considering the international moon shot programs draft report. That's the work ahead of us on Thursday.

Shall we adjourn?

Some hon. members

Agreed.

The Chair Liberal Lloyd Longfield

Thank you.

Thank you again to the witnesses from both panels and for the great questions from the members.

The meeting is adjourned.