Evidence of meeting #46 for Science and Research in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was report.

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On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

Lapointe Gagnon  Full Professor of History, Campus Saint-Jean, University of Alberta, As an Individual
Johnston  President and Chief Executive Officer, Colleges and Institutes Canada
Weir  Librarian and Archivist of Canada, Library and Archives of Canada
Bouchard  Assistant Deputy Minister, User Experience, Library and Archives of Canada
Pinault-Masson  Senior Policy Advisor, Government Relations and Policy Research, Colleges and Institutes Canada
Larivière  Professor, Université de Montréal, As an Individual
Pastinelli  President, Fédération québécoise des professeures et professeurs d'université
Ouimet  Director General, Réseau francophone international en conseil scientifique
Perreault  Rector, Université de Sherbrooke

The Chair Liberal Salma Zahid

I call this meeting to order.

Welcome to meeting number 46 of the House of Commons Standing Committee on Science and Research.

We are meeting today to resume our study on the report of the external advisory panel on the creation and dissemination of scientific information in French.

I would like to make a few comments for the witnesses and members.

Please wait until I recognize you by name before speaking. For those participating by video conference, click on the microphone icon to activate your mic, and please mute yourself when you are not speaking. For those on Zoom, at the bottom of your screen, you can make your selection of the appropriate channel for interpretation: “floor”, “English” or “French”. For those in the room, you can use the earpiece and select the desired channel. I would like to remind witnesses that committee members may ask questions in either French or English. If you will need interpretation, please take a moment to prepare your earpiece and select the listening channel you need in advance to take full advantage of the time allotted for questions and answers.

I remind you that all comments should be addressed through the chair. For members in the room, if you wish to speak, please raise your hand. For members on Zoom, please use the “raise hand” function. The clerk and I will manage the speaking order as best we can, and we appreciate your patience and understanding in this regard.

With that, I would like to welcome our witnesses for this first panel.

We have, as an individual, Madame Valérie Lapointe Gagnon, full professor of history, Campus Saint-Jean, University of Alberta. She joins us by video conference. We are also joined by Colleges and Institutes Canada, represented today by Pari Johnston, president and chief executive officer, and by Gustave Pinault-Masson, senior policy adviser, government relations and policy research. Third, we have witnesses from Library and Archives Canada, represented by Jasmine Bouchard, assistant deputy minister, user experience, and by Leslie Weir, librarian and archivist of Canada.

Welcome to all the witnesses.

All of you will have five minutes for your opening remarks, and then we will get into a round of questioning.

We will begin with Madame Gagnon.

Please go ahead.

Valérie Lapointe Gagnon Full Professor of History, Campus Saint-Jean, University of Alberta, As an Individual

Good afternoon, everyone.

I would first like to thank you most warmly for the invitation to present my recommendations for your study. I had the great honour of being one of the members of the external advisory panel on the creation and dissemination of scientific information in French, specifically representing the voices of French-speaking researchers in western Canada.

The conclusion of our report is clear: Research in French is a defining feature of Canada at a pivotal moment in our history, when our neighbour is threatening our sovereignty. It is also an indispensable element of soft power for forging links with our francophone and francophile allies around the world, an economic driver for the country, a source of well-being and fulfillment for francophone communities from coast to coast to coast, and a source of reliable data for more informed public policy.

However, substantive equality in the research community is far from being achieved, despite commitments made by the government in 2023, when it recognized the vulnerability of the French language in Canada in the modernized Official Languages Act. At that time, the government committed to ensuring the advancement of the status and use of French in its activities, including in the scientific field.

I would now like to discuss the situation at Campus Saint-Jean, and, more broadly, French-language research in minority-language communities, in order to further emphasize the need to implement the recommendations in our report and achieve substantive equality. I have been a professor of history at the University of Alberta's Campus Saint-Jean for eleven years now. Over the years, I have seen just how poorly understood the mission of our campus—an entity that operates almost entirely in French within a large English-speaking research university that is part of the U15 Canada consortium—has been, both by university administrators and by governments.

At Campus Saint-Jean, our mandate is not merely to educate the next generation. We are also tasked with keeping the French language alive, while it is under threat both within the academic community and across the province. Although our mission is poorly understood, it is essential. Without the contribution of post-secondary institutions in Canada's francophone communities, there would be no teachers to teach in the French-language schools guaranteed under section 23 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. There would be no francophone health care staff to care for an aging population that loses its bearings when not treated in its own language. There would be no research documenting the realities of these groups, who are often marginalized and overlooked in studies conducted by the majority.

One of the issues most important to me is the development of a strong new generation of leaders who will be able to shape tomorrow's public policies in addressing the essential needs of francophone minority communities. Those who choose to pursue their higher education here at Campus Saint-Jean have testified before our committee that they often do not benefit from the same support or opportunities as their peers studying in the majority language. Although we are very pleased to benefit from the support of the SARF—the Acfas French-language research support service—the support services are not as well developed, and very few scholarships are awarded by the three granting councils to support the academic journeys of those who choose to pursue higher education in French outside Quebec.

Having addressed the issue of funding, we must next turn our attention to the state of training. Our report highlights inequalities regarding the variety and availability of programs and course options within Canada's minority francophone communities. Many people wishing to study in French are therefore forced to move abroad, leading to a brain drain that is detrimental to the vitality of the French language. In fact, only 37% of university students whose mother tongue is French pursue their higher education in French; this is not a large proportion. Others choose to attend an English-speaking university, a choice that distances them from the French language. At Campus Saint-Jean, we do not offer enough courses to enable students to complete their Master of Arts program, which forces them to enrol in English-language courses at the University of Alberta. This situation poses a problem for our multicultural student body, as many newcomers, particularly those from Africa, are not proficient in English. This group therefore finds itself marginalized.

Our master's and doctoral students are incredibly resilient and inspiring. They explore topics that only people in their situation would have thought to study: burnout among French-speaking elementary school teachers in Alberta, or financial literacy support for French-speaking newcomers to Alberta. Once they have completed their studies, these students wish to publish their research. However, they face a dilemma: If they wish to publish in English in major journals with a high impact factor, they must broaden the scope of their research, as the francophone population in Alberta is often considered to be of only marginal significance; alternatively, they must turn to francophone journals. Yet our report clearly demonstrates, once again, just how fragile the French-language publishing ecosystem has become in recent years.

Lastly, once these students have completed their studies, will there even be jobs available for them, given the precarious state of post-secondary institutions in Canada's French-speaking communities?

The recommendations set out in the advisory panel's report aim to facilitate the pathways for students—as I have just outlined—and to strengthen research that is essential to the flourishing of francophone communities across the country. They seek to redress the structural inequalities that arise at every stage of the journey for those who choose French as their language of study and research.

The Chair Liberal Salma Zahid

I'm sorry for interrupting, but can you wind up, please? Your time is up.

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Full Professor of History, Campus Saint-Jean, University of Alberta, As an Individual

Valérie Lapointe Gagnon

Yes.

That is why I now turn to the two recommendations I would like to see implemented.

Firstly, I would like the Government of Canada to accept all of the recommendations and measures proposed by the external advisory panel in order to develop a strategy for French-language research based on our three key principles: research in French is a matter of substantive equality, a driver of economic development and a strategic resource for enhancing Canada's international profile.

Secondly, I would like the Government of Canada to publish a road map for implementing the report, including a timeline for the next steps and the measures to be taken.

Thank you very much for your attention.

The Chair Liberal Salma Zahid

With that, we will go to Colleges and Institutes Canada.

Ms. Johnston, please go ahead. You will have five minutes for your opening remarks.

Pari Johnston President and Chief Executive Officer, Colleges and Institutes Canada

Madam Chair, ladies and gentlemen of the committee, thank you for inviting Colleges and Institutes Canada, or CICan, to give evidence before the committee for this important inquiry. We are delighted to be able to contribute once again to your vital work.

CICan is the national voice for Canada's public colleges, institutes, CEGEPs, polytechnic institutions and indigenous post-secondary institutions. Our network comprises 39 French-language institutions, eight of which are located in minority-language communities. That is why we enthusiastically welcomed the advisory panel's report.

We are particularly pleased to see that the report recognizes the contribution made by colleges and CEGEPs in Canada's francophone communities to the socio-economic development of their local areas. By carrying out applied research programs in French in partnership with businesses and community organizations, they help to solve practical problems and develop solutions tailored to local circumstances. In doing so, they ensure that public investment in research yields tangible benefits, such as advances in social innovation, the adoption of technologies by small and medium-sized enterprises, and the development of a workforce with highly sought-after technical skills.

The report, however, rightly provides a rigorous analysis of the regulatory, financial and organizational barriers that limit the full potential of French-language research, including applied research. It rightly points out that French-language research is not a peripheral cultural issue. It concerns genuine equality, the vitality of francophone communities and Canada's ability to fully harness its scientific and innovation potential.

When scientific knowledge is generated and disseminated in French, francophone businesses, public institutions and community organizations are better placed to utilize it and benefit from it. This is why it is crucial for Canada to continue supporting research in French. To this end, CICan recommends that the committee endorse the advisory panel's recommendations and support their swift implementation. It is, however, important that colleges and CEGEPs in the Canadian francophonie are involved as full partners in the governance mechanisms, dedicated investments and support measures proposed by the advisory panel.

This should take three forms.

Firstly, the future secretariat for the coordination of French-language research should have a clear mandate, defined responsibilities and balanced representation, including stakeholders from the college sector.

Secondly, investment in the fund to support and promote French-language research should support applied research in colleges in an equitable manner.

Thirdly, granting councils must ensure genuine disciplinary and linguistic expertise within evaluation committees, while also reviewing their evaluation criteria to better recognize the specific impacts of applied research. This includes, in particular, supporting small and medium-sized enterprises, adopting new technologies and strengthening local community capacities.

Adopting these recommendations would help ensure that research conducted in French not only strengthens Canada's scientific capabilities, but also enhances the productivity of small and medium-sized enterprises and the economic prosperity of francophone communities across the country.

Thank you for your time. I would be happy to answer any questions you may have.

The Chair Liberal Salma Zahid

Thank you.

We will now proceed to Library and Archives of Canada.

Ms. Weir, please go ahead. You have five minutes for your opening remarks.

Leslie Weir Librarian and Archivist of Canada, Library and Archives of Canada

Madam Chair, members of the committee, ladies and gentlemen, thank you so much for inviting us to appear before the committee.

I am Leslie Weir. I'm the Librarian and Archivist of Canada, commonly called LAC. I'm joined today by Jasmine Bouchard, the assistant deputy minister responsible for user experience.

LAC's mandate is to preserve and promote Canada's documentary heritage, serve as an enduring and accessible source of knowledge for all, and act as the permanent memory of the Government of Canada and its institutions while ensuring that the many voices that make up our history are represented in our collective memory.

Beyond its role as steward of Canada's documentary heritage, LAC also serves as an essential national research infrastructure. Our collections constitute unique primary sources that support research across a large, wide range of fields, including history, social sciences, government studies, genealogy, indigenous studies and francophone studies. As a member of the Canadian Association of Research Libraries, or CARL, LAC recognizes that a strong and vibrant francophone research ecosystem is essential to the creation, dissemination and preservation of knowledge in Canada.

We collectively recognize the importance of ensuring that French-language research is visible, discoverable and accessible to researchers, students and communities across the country.

To support these efforts, representatives from Library and Archives Canada participated in the committee's consultations in December 2025. During these consultations, Library and Archives Canada highlighted several initiatives that contribute to the dissemination of scientific knowledge in French and support francophone and francophile researchers, including Theses Canada, the Price–McIntosh Bursary and the Archives of New France.

Library and Archives Canada will continue its efforts to support the vitality and profile of French-language research, including by ensuring the acquisition of works in French, digitizing French-language archival holdings, integrating a francophone perspective into the exploration of opportunities offered by artificial intelligence, strengthening collaboration with universities and the research community, expanding research training activities within Library and Archives Canada's collections, and by offering public programming in both official languages that showcase Canada's francophone communities.

LAC is currently reviewing the recommendations of the external advisory committee to identify the most effective ways to support and strengthen French-language scientific research in Canada. While many of the objectives do align closely with LAC's commitment to advancing access to knowledge in French, we believe careful consideration will be required to assess the implementation approaches, resource implications and opportunities for collaboration across the existing research ecosystem.

LAC remains committed to contributing to this objective in partnership with universities, research organizations and francophone communities across the country.

Thank you very much.

The Chair Liberal Salma Zahid

Thank you.

With that, we will begin our first round of questions with MP Baldinelli.

Please go ahead, MP Baldinelli.

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

Tony Baldinelli Conservative Niagara Falls—Niagara-on-the-Lake, ON

Thank you, Madam Chair. I will be splitting my time with my colleague, the member for Cambridge.

Thank you to our witnesses.

I have a bit of housekeeping. I want to formally move my motion of October 6. It will be the basis, I hope, with the support of my colleagues, for the next study we'll be doing at this committee.

If I could, I'd like to have this shared with everyone.

With my colleagues' indulgence, we can have this supported. This will be the basis for our clerk to begin work on our next study.

While that's going on, I'll read into the record the motion of October 6:

That the Standing Committee on Science and Research undertake a study of no less than 4 meetings to identify and assess risks and threats to Canadian science and research in federal departments, agencies, and post-secondary institutions relating to intellectual property, research, and sensitive and confidential information that supports Canadian national security and sovereignty, including risks and threats from foreign espionage, cyber threats, unauthorized access, theft, and other forms of interference; that the Committee report its findings and recommendations to the House; and that the committee request a government response.

The Chair Liberal Salma Zahid

Thank you, MP Baldinelli.

Go ahead, MP Deschênes-Thériault.

Guillaume Deschênes-Thériault Liberal Madawaska—Restigouche, NB

Madam Chair, we are ready to proceed and to support the motion.

The Chair Liberal Salma Zahid

Do we have the consent of the committee members to adopt the motion?

(Motion agreed to)

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

Tony Baldinelli Conservative Niagara Falls—Niagara-on-the-Lake, ON

Thank you, Madam Chair.

I will now cede the floor to my colleague from Cambridge.

The Chair Liberal Salma Zahid

Thank you.

Connie Cody Conservative Cambridge, ON

Thank you.

Through you, Chair, I want to welcome the witnesses here today.

I really appreciate your coming here to share your knowledge and expertise.

One component to the mandate of Library and Archives of Canada, which is why I'm going to direct this question to Leslie Weir, is to be a source of enduring knowledge accessible to all, contributing to the cultural, social and economic advancement of Canada as a free and democratic society. What type of knowledge does the library collect and preserve?

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Librarian and Archivist of Canada, Library and Archives of Canada

Leslie Weir

Library and Archives Canada has the fifth-largest heritage collection in the world. We have 22 million books. We have 250 linear kilometres of archives. We also hold 425,000 works of art, 30 million photographs, and the list goes on. We have the records from 370 different government entities, of which about 170 are still in operation. We collect private archives that try to reflect the stories of the people of Canada from different communities. We also have a legal deposit, where we collect every book that is published in Canada. That includes books that are published in English, French and other languages. We certainly make all efforts to collect, as well, materials in indigenous languages.

I hope that helps clarify our—

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Conservative

Connie Cody Conservative Cambridge, ON

Yes, thank you.

You're saying that you collect all this information. How does the library acquire this knowledge and information?

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Librarian and Archivist of Canada, Library and Archives of Canada

Leslie Weir

The library acquires its collections through transfers from federal government departments, once their records are no longer of operational use. We also acquire archives from private citizens and organizations across the country, which are normally donated to us. We do not have an acquisitions budget in 2026, although we have had in the past. Of course, we receive all the books published in Canada through legal deposit.

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Conservative

Connie Cody Conservative Cambridge, ON

I'm curious. Is the information public or secure? For example, who can access it? Can ordinary Canadian citizens access it? Can foreign researchers in Canada access it? Can foreign researchers or foreign entities access it?

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Librarian and Archivist of Canada, Library and Archives of Canada

Leslie Weir

Many of our collections are openly accessible. They're designed to be available to all the peoples of Canada, but there are many collections that are also available globally. We also have large collections that are restricted, either because of privacy requirements or because of rules around access to information. These collections are highly secured. We run both top secret and secret networks at Library and Archives Canada to ensure the security of these records. The materials we have in our collection are mainly analog—in print—which is fairly important. About 95% of our collections are analog, which means that they're physically controlled in our own buildings, and this does not allow any interference. We have very rigorous control of our digital collections.

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Conservative

Connie Cody Conservative Cambridge, ON

How would someone go about accessing information and knowledge being preserved at the Library and Archives?

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Librarian and Archivist of Canada, Library and Archives of Canada

Leslie Weir

We have something called “collection search” on our website, which allows people to get access to information that helps them discover what is in our collections and can give them direct access to the electronic resources that are available online. They can also contact Library and Archives Canada, and we can help them find the collections that might be relevant to their areas of interest and research. We have public services that we offer in Vancouver, Winnipeg, Halifax and the national capital region. We have thousands of people who come to visit us in person at those facilities, and we have about three million visitors who contact us virtually.

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Conservative

Connie Cody Conservative Cambridge, ON

Is there any information or knowledge that is off limits, confidential or highly sensitive and needs protection?

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Librarian and Archivist of Canada, Library and Archives of Canada

Leslie Weir

Yes, there's a great deal of information that falls under all three of those categories. This is information we ensure is protected appropriately, either through physically controlling the print materials or through ensuring that we have very high levels of security on our digital collections.

I will say that, for those collections that we preserve and are looking to maintain in perpetuity, we keep multiple copies, and we have copies that are off-line and are not, in fact, connected to any networks.