Evidence of meeting #50 for Status of Women in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was symptoms.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

Lori Brotto  Professor, Department of Obstetrics and Gynaecology, University of British Columbia, As an Individual
Desautels  Family Physician, As an Individual
Osagie  Chief Executive Officer, Med Melanin
Heather Edgell  Associate Professor, School of Kinesiology and Health Sciences, York University, As an Individual
Kevin Whittingstall  Director, Department of Medical Imaging and Radiation Sciences, Université de Sherbrooke, As an Individual
Nese Yuksel  Co-Founder, Chief Health Officer and Executive Vice-President, Effica Health, As an Individual

The Vice-Chair Liberal Emmanuella Lambropoulos

I call this meeting to order.

Welcome to meeting number 50 of the Standing Committee on the Status of Women.

Pursuant to Standing Order 108(2) and the motion adopted by the committee on Tuesday, January 27, the committee will resume its study of the labour force impacts of menopause and perimenopause.

Today's meeting is taking place in a hybrid format, pursuant to the Standing Orders. To ensure that the meeting runs smoothly, I would like to make a few comments for the benefit of members and witnesses.

Please wait until I recognize you by name before speaking. If you're participating by video conference, click on the microphone icon to activate the microphone. Please mute yourself when you aren't speaking. If you wish to speak, please raise your hand. If you're on Zoom, please use the “raise hand” function.

I would like to remind witnesses that committee members may ask questions in either French or English. If you need interpretation, please take a moment now to prepare your earpiece and select the listening channel required in order to take full advantage of the time allotted for questions and answers.

As well, I have a reminder that all comments should be addressed through the chair.

I will now welcome our witnesses.

Appearing as an individual, we have Dr. Lori Brotto, professor, Department of Obstetrics and Gynaecology, University of British Columbia.

We're also joined by Dr. Lyne Desautels, a family physician.

We also have with us, from Med Melanin, Yvonne Osagie, CEO.

Welcome. We will begin with opening statements. I have a yellow card that I'll put up when there is one minute remaining and a red card that I'll put up when there are 30 seconds remaining.

Dr. Brotto, you have the floor for five minutes.

Thank you.

Dr. Lori Brotto Professor, Department of Obstetrics and Gynaecology, University of British Columbia, As an Individual

Thank you so much for inviting me to speak with you today.

I want to acknowledge that our work at the University of British Columbia and the Women's Health Research Institute is situated on the traditional, ancestral and unceded territory of the Coast Salish peoples, and the Musqueam, Squamish and Tsleil-Waututh nations.

Thank you, Madam Chair and members of the committee, for this invitation to speak with you today. Most Canadian women between 25 and 54 are in the paid workforce. That means almost every woman in this country will go through perimenopause and menopause while she is working, yet we have remarkably little data in Canada on what this means for her job, her career and her income. Today, I'll share findings from HER-BC, a study our team at UBC and the Women's Health Research Institute led of more than 2,000 women in British Columbia aged 39 to 60. Our team has published some of the top-line findings from this survey already, including the range and severity of menopause symptoms and the impacts on quality of life and mental health.

In the study, we found that 80% of our sample, which was largely representative of the B.C. population, had at least one menopause-related symptom that was interfering in their life. We found that over half the women with severe symptoms were not receiving any treatment at all for their symptoms, and we found that the severity of vasomotor symptoms, what we commonly classify as hot flashes and night sweats, is directly related to the severity of mental health symptoms, including anxiety and depression.

What I want to share with you today are our not-yet-published data from the study based on analysis that was a collaboration with economists at the Vancouver school of economics. These results are not yet peer-reviewed, and they are a snapshot in time, but three key messages stand out.

First, menopause is quietly reshaping women's careers. More than one in five women in our study told us that in just the past six months, menopause symptoms had forced a change in their working life. About one in six had cut back on their hours; one in 10 had turned down a promotion; about one in 20 had quit, retired early or changed their jobs; and one in four had missed work because of symptoms related to menopause in the past year.

The more severe the menopause symptoms, the bigger the impact. Among women with low symptom scores, 7% reported a career disruption, but among those with high symptom scores, it was nearly 40%. Of the 16 women who had been laid off or fired, 88% of them had severe menopause-related symptoms. We also asked about productivity without mentioning menopause at all, and the pattern held. Among women with few symptoms, one in four said that they had been less productive at work, and among women with severe symptoms, it was nearly three in four.

The second key message is that this impact is largely invisible in standard economic statistics. When we looked at whether women were employed, how many hours they worked, or what they earned, the difference was small. This doesn't mean that menopause doesn't matter. It means that women are absorbing it. A promotion turned down doesn't show up in this year's paycheque. It shows up over the next decade and in her pension. Women with the most severe symptoms and disabilities were the least likely to complete our survey, so if anything, our findings are an underestimate.

The third key message was that the burden falls hardest on women with the least protection. For women in temporary, contract or self-employed work, the link between menopause symptoms and career disruption was nearly twice as strong as for women in permanent jobs. These are the same women who are least likely to have paid sick leave. In our study, over 90% of permanent employees had it, compared to only 40% of women in non-permanent jobs and only 20% in the self-employed group.

Two other findings from our survey really matter. The symptoms most strongly tied to work disruption were not hot flashes. They were low mood, anxiety, irritability and exhaustion—in other words, the mental health and cognitive symptoms. For women still having periods, heavy and painful bleeding added to the burden that they faced.

What can be done in response to these findings? I offer four suggestions.

One, let's measure it. Canada has no national data that follow menopause symptoms, work and earnings over time. Statistics Canada—

The Vice-Chair Liberal Emmanuella Lambropoulos

I apologize, Dr. Brotto, but I will have to cut you off, as the five minutes are up and we are on a strict timeline. You will be able to answer these questions when you're answering MPs.

Dr. Desautels, you have the floor for five minutes.

Lyne Desautels Family Physician, As an Individual

Good afternoon.

Thank you for giving me this opportunity to discuss an issue close to my heart. This issue is women's health, both in their professional lives and in our society.

I've been a general practitioner for over 30 years. I'm also a speaker and a co‑author of two books on menopause. These books are Mieux vivre la ménopause, co‑written with Isabelle Huot, and Ma santé, mes hormones , which was published on September 16 of this year. In this book, we discuss the impact of perimenopause on women's professional lives.

My journey has led me to develop an interest in integrative medicine, prevention and healthy longevity. At the heart of this approach lies a conviction. To provide effective support for a woman, we must understand how her symptoms, physiology and daily life are interconnected. This has led me, for over 20 years, to focus on women's hormonal health, particularly during perimenopause and menopause. Behind the symptoms of fatigue, insomnia and mental health challenges lies a person trying to understand what's happening to her. She's a woman who embraces her responsibilities but who no longer quite recognizes herself as she navigates this period of hormonal change.

Perimenopause and menopause aren't diseases. They constitute a major hormonal transition that warrants understanding and support. Hormonal fluctuations can disrupt sleep, mood—as we've heard—physical well‑being and intimate relationships. Some women will go through this period with few difficulties, while others will feel the impact on both their relationships and their performance at work. So, it's important.

Sex hormones play a role in a number of multisystemic functions. Their gradual decline affects metabolism, so all the biochemical reactions in a woman's body that serve to produce energy, including at the cellular level. We must look beyond the reproductive years when it comes to these hormones if we want to talk about prevention. That's why I advocate for a comprehensive and personalized approach to health. We must focus on the individuals and on the patients. We must listen, assess, explain and work with each woman to develop personalized care tailored to her situation.

The problem lies in the fact that it's currently too difficult to access this support. For some women, the process of finding an available and trained professional, obtaining reliable information, discussing treatment options and receiving follow‑up care can turn into a real obstacle course. Women have the right to be informed. To make informed choices, they need people to listen to them and hear them. This takes time. In today's medical landscape, it's difficult to make this happen. They shouldn't need to burn themselves out and fight in order to get help. Imagine having to lead a meeting after multiple nights of interrupted sleep, teaching students while experiencing hot flashes—I've been there—or providing care while dealing with chronic fatigue. This may be a temporary challenge for women, but it can affect how others perceive them, particularly in terms of their skills and commitment in the workplace.

In 2023, the Menopause Foundation of Canada carried out an analysis on symptom management, which is allegedly tied to—get this—about 540,000 lost workdays each year in Canada. Between 50% and 75% of women in perimenopause will experience symptoms, while 30% of them will have severe symptoms. Between 10% and 20% of these women will see a decline in their productivity. One in ten menopausal women will leave her job because her symptoms become too severe or because they affect her quality of life too much.

That said, I would like to propose three priorities. First, we need to improve training for health care professionals and the information provided to the public about perimenopause, which can begin as early as the mid‑thirties.

Second, we need to improve access to assessments for personalized care based not only on evidence but also on clinical experience.

Third, we need to support workplaces by informing managers and educating both managers and employees. It's about confidentiality and respect. Flexibility is key, and accommodations should be made whenever possible.

The Vice-Chair Liberal Emmanuella Lambropoulos

Thank you, Ms. Desautels. Your time is up.

I will now turn the floor over to Ms. Osagie.

Yvonne Osagie Chief Executive Officer, Med Melanin

Thank you, Chair and members of the committee.

My name is Yvonne Osagie. I'm the CEO of Med Melanin. We're a preventative digital health platform designed to support underserved women and caregivers to be better advocates when they go to the doctor and to teach women to be heard in rooms in which they have historically not been heard.

Imagine it's 7:40 in the morning. A woman is on her way to an eight o'clock shift at a long-term care home. She slept for about two hours after waking up at 1:00 a.m. drenched in her own sweat, and then she had to get up at 5:30 to get her kids out the door. This was the fourth night in a row this week. She gets on her feet and then starts her 12-hour shift of caring for other people's parents. She's a bit slower that day; she's been a bit slower for a while, and she has started to notice it. Her supervisor has noticed it as well.

There's nothing in this story that's within the woman's control.

In multinational studies of women aged 40 to 65, Canada has the highest rates of menopause-related sleep disruption measured anywhere in the world, at about 67%. This is where our national numbers go quiet. We say menopause costs the economy about $3.5 billion and 540,000 lost workdays, and those figures are real, but they also undercount. A lost workday is a woman who did not go into the office, but the figures do not count the woman who did go but whose productivity was impacted, the woman who could not afford to miss a shift or the woman who will always have to show up.

The second thing is that this burden is not carried equally. SWAN, the Study of Women’s Health Across the Nation, has followed American women through the menopause transition for about 25 years. It found that Black women reported the longest duration of vasomotor symptoms of any group studied.

We are not without Canadian evidence. A national study of 1,000 Canadian women commissioned by benefits insurer GreenShield found that 40% of racialized women did not know where to seek care, and only about one in three had ever discussed their symptoms with a health professional, compared with roughly half of women overall. She's less likely to know what is happening to her and less likely to raise it, and she will often minimize her own symptoms.

Everything we're discussing about workplace policy resets at an accommodation system level. An accommodation requires a request; a request requires a diagnosis, and a diagnosis requires a clinician. How does she get one? An estimated 5.9 million adults in the country don't have a family doctor or a nurse practitioner. However, for those who do have one, an estimated 41% of Canadian medical schools do not incorporate menopause education. If there's no provider, no diagnosis, no documentation, no accommodation and no data, every line breaks harder for the woman I just described.

There is new research out of Norway and Sweden called “The Menopause ‘Penalty’”. It found that earnings in Norway fall 7.4% by the fourth year after menopause is diagnosed. The same researchers also found something hopeful, which is that awareness and access to care increased in Sweden, with diagnoses rising by 29% and treatment rising by 50% when awareness was at the forefront. The entire benefit went to the women without a college education, which puts into place the socio-economic status.

There are three things I want us to think through.

First, measure it properly. Canada's first national menopause study of real scope is being built. The question for this committee is whether it's designed to disaggregate by race, by immigration status, by occupation or by sector. SWAN's original study excluded women who had surgical menopause, primarily Black and Hispanic women, and had to go back and make that adjustment. As Canadians, we have the opportunity to do that up front.

Second, fix the whole chain, not only the last link. Require menopause education in medical and nursing training. It's not optional. Pay clinicians for the time diagnosis takes, with the right incentives in the system. Cover medication, because the safest forms of hormone therapy are often the ones basic plans will not cover, which makes treatment a benefit of having a good job.

Third, build workplaces that do not require a woman to disclose in order to work while protecting every woman who does disclose with ventilation, cooling, predictable schedules and real breaks for folks who do shift work. Make these available to everyone so that they don't have to be requested by anyone. Create a low-friction route for women who do come forward, because they should not need a specialist letter to get a desk fan.

On the topic of the law, menopause is not named anywhere in Canadian legislation, but the grounds are, and they are the foundation on which we can get started. Sex, age and disability are protected, and the duty to accommodate is already attached to them. The foundation exists. What does not exist is that indication—the precedent of menopause.

The Ontario Human Rights Commission—

The Vice-Chair Liberal Emmanuella Lambropoulos

Thank you so much, Ms. Osagie. I know that you'll be able to continue when you're answering the questions.

I appreciate your testimony—all of you.

Now we will begin rounds of questions. We will start with a round of six-minute questions, and I'll pass the floor to MP Roberts.

You have the floor for six minutes.

4:45 p.m.

Conservative

Anna Roberts Conservative King—Vaughan, ON

Thank you, Madam Chair. You're doing a great job.

Thank you very much to the witnesses for being here. It's an important study for all of us, and I can tell you that I'm one of those ones struggling with menopause, and I'm way beyond that age. I have hot flashes all the time. I don't know why. They drive me crazy.

I'm going to ask a question. I know it's a $3.5-billion annual impact to the Canadian economy, and I understand that lost income from women is $3.3 billion. One in ten women leaves the workforce, and $237 million is lost to the employers.

I'll ask all of you to give me your response to this question: Are we doing enough at the federal level to ensure that we are putting more funds and more action to educate both the employer and the employees about the situation? That's a lot of money. A lot of women are single women, and a lot of them are supporting their families. That's a lot of lost income. It's going to cost us all.

We'll start with Dr. Desautels, and then we'll move around.

4:50 p.m.

Family Physician, As an Individual

Lyne Desautels

I'm happy that you asked me that question.

Funding is really a major issue. There are inequalities at the provincial level. I practise in Quebec, where I've set up private clinics that I fund out of my own income to try to make them accessible. I would have liked to receive grants to make things more affordable for women.

I've also established multidisciplinary work teams, giving nurses and nurse practitioners the scope to practise, as mentioned. I believe that we need to team up with a variety of health care professionals. For women to regain their power to make decisions on their health and hormonal health, we must inform them, listen to them and hear them. However, a great deal of educational work remains to be done.

I run an educational platform on hormonal health. I've published two books and I'm trying to spread the word. However, some recommendations also limit the ability of our health care professionals to become more open to the reality on the ground and to what women are actually experiencing. We need to get back to this. We need to carry out proper clinical assessments and not just follow restrictive recommendations that make care inaccessible to many women.

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

Anna Roberts Conservative King—Vaughan, ON

Thank you.

I'll go to Dr. Lori Brotto to give her an opportunity.

You said there were four recommendations. You didn't get a chance to finish. I'm going to give you that chance.

4:50 p.m.

Professor, Department of Obstetrics and Gynaecology, University of British Columbia, As an Individual

Dr. Lori Brotto

Thank you, MP Roberts. I'm sorry to hear that the hot flashes are continuing. You're in very good company; let me just say that.

There are four recommendations that come out of our very robust research.

One is that we need to measure this. Canada has no national data following menopause symptoms and work and earnings over time. The Menopause Foundation survey was excellent, but it was a single snapshot in time. We need to build this into our Stats Canada surveys.

The second thing is that we need to close the gap for precarious workers so that sick time and income supports reach women in those contract and self-employed roles, because menopause symptoms follow them too.

Third, we need to name menopause explicitly in the federal workplace and human rights guidance so that federally regulated employers understand their duty to accommodate.

The last thing I'd recommend—and this is very in line with Dr. Desautels—is to invest in care, including mental health care and menopause-informed primary care so that women can get their symptoms treated before they get back to work. Again, vasomotor symptoms are very important, but what we heard and what we see in the data is that it's the cognitive symptoms—word finding, attention, brain fog and mental health—that seem to contribute the most to those workplace impacts.

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

Anna Roberts Conservative King—Vaughan, ON

Thank you for that.

I'll go to Yvonne.... I'm not even going to try to pronounce that name because I know I'll mess it up.

What are some of the dangers with the misdiagnosis for women of colour? You talked about how it impacts them—endometriosis and the rest of it. What kind of impact...?

You only have a short time to answer that. I know because she gave me the yellow flag.

4:50 p.m.

Chief Executive Officer, Med Melanin

Yvonne Osagie

That's okay.

We start to see the impact in how women describe it. That is part of what's missed. If a patient doesn't have the terminology to say, “I'm having brain fog”, maybe they'll say, “I've just been excessively tired” or “I need my fan at all times.” They won't have the exact terminology. If they don't have it and they're stuck with a 15-minute appointment slot, they have to maximize it as much as possible, and it just continues to get pushed down the line, unfortunately.

To answer your original question, about accommodation and what that support can realistically look like, part of it is hybrid work. We've moved away from that in 2026, when it was probably one of the most effective things to support people in desk-related work. In terms of shift work, it's the inability for women to voice that they have menopause for fear that it will impact their career or impact—

The Vice-Chair Liberal Emmanuella Lambropoulos

Thank you, Ms. Osagie. That's the end of MP Roberts' time.

The floor goes to MP Nguyen.

Chi Nguyen Liberal Spadina—Harbourfront, ON

Thank you very much, Madam Chair.

I'd like to give a huge thank you to the witnesses for joining us today. This is such an important study.

First, Dr. Brotto, could you tell us when this peer-reviewed material might become publicly available or if we're allowed to have access to some of these findings? If you could share them with the committee, that would be very helpful. Do you have a sense of when that will be published?

4:55 p.m.

Professor, Department of Obstetrics and Gynaecology, University of British Columbia, As an Individual

Dr. Lori Brotto

Absolutely. The entire report, with the findings, as an unpublished report is on the Women's Health Research Institute website. If you go to whri.org and search “menopause”, it will take you right to the HER-BC report.

As noted, we also have a number of peer-reviewed publications coming out. We've had three published so far. The peer-reviewed publication on the workplace data is not published yet. We anticipate that it should be out by the end of this calendar year.

Chi Nguyen Liberal Spadina—Harbourfront, ON

Each of you started to speak a bit about workplace accommodations and ways in which employers could make adaptations. I wonder if you could add a little more colour and reflection. Have you seen some very strong best practices or approaches that have made it easier for women to step back or take the pause they need in order to manage their symptoms?

Perhaps I could start with Ms. Brotto.

4:55 p.m.

Professor, Department of Obstetrics and Gynaecology, University of British Columbia, As an Individual

Dr. Lori Brotto

I'm based in British Columbia, and one thing we've seen is the expansion of benefit plans to include many of the common specialized providers, such as massage therapy and mental health providers, given that those tend to be some of the specialists, in addition to primary care and those who prescribe hormones and from whom women seek help. This is an important gender-specific and life-stage-specific thing that can be very easy for workplaces to do: Make sure they have coverage for the specialists who are delivering evidence-based care.

Chi Nguyen Liberal Spadina—Harbourfront, ON

I'll try to speak in French.

Dr. Desautels, could you also comment on this issue regarding the workplace?

4:55 p.m.

Family Physician, As an Individual

Lyne Desautels

Yes.

I've personally developed models to make this accessible, but I believe that education is key. I think that we need to educate women so that they learn to pay attention to themselves, listen to the language of their bodies and trust themselves. We also need to teach health care professionals to take a more comprehensive approach. As I said, this isn't a disease and the symptoms affect multiple systems.

I'm really glad that we talked about mental health. One of the main reasons for consultations during perimenopause isn't irregular periods, but rather irritability, premenstrual syndrome and anxiety. These mental health issues have a major impact on the quality of life of women, on their relationships and also on their work.

I think that we need to start educating women so that they can pay attention to what's happening in their bodies and become aware of it. That way, they will understand the impact of hormonal changes. I call it the “living laboratory”. The human body never lies and the language of the body is important. Awareness and knowledge put women in a better position to discuss these issues with their health care providers. A great deal of work must be done to dispel myths and educate patients, the general public and health care providers. We need to team up with a variety of health care professionals. In my view, the multidisciplinary approach is extremely important.

Chi Nguyen Liberal Spadina—Harbourfront, ON

Thank you.

Ms. Osagie, you started to describe a low-friction opportunity for those in workplaces such that they have to physically be there. Could you tell me a bit about some of the insights you have from recommendations such as that?

October 21st, 2026 / 4:55 p.m.

Chief Executive Officer, Med Melanin

Yvonne Osagie

I'm sorry. I think I missed a bit in the beginning.

Chi Nguyen Liberal Spadina—Harbourfront, ON

Sure. I wanted to hear more about how you described a low-friction opportunity as the easiest, so people didn't have to disclose. Can you tell me a little more about what that could look like?

4:55 p.m.

Chief Executive Officer, Med Melanin

Yvonne Osagie

Absolutely.

Some companies have tried this in terms of menstrual care, with people taking one day off a month. I have seen that rejected in the U.K.

It's that low-friction piece, wherein someone doesn't have to disclose. It could be something with accommodation and support for everybody. If they're doing shift work, this could be having ventilation and having coordinated breaks that they can have inside their appointments. It could be having hybrid work for those it's applicable to, and that may not be applicable in all spaces.

It could be having a dedicated professional there so that they can have that conversation. In a lot of spaces, many women may not be comfortable talking about their health care in a workplace environment, but they would be comfortable talking about it with a health care professional. They would be comfortable talking about it with a counsellor.

If you provide that service and say it is offered to everybody, it doesn't feel as though they've isolated themselves and they're automatically saying that, by using this service, “I have menopause and therefore it will impact my career.” If you make it available to everybody, that's when the optionality and support can be provided.

5 p.m.

Liberal

Chi Nguyen Liberal Spadina—Harbourfront, ON

Thanks very much for your time today. I really appreciate your responses.