Evidence of meeting #49 for Transport, Infrastructure and Communities in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was million.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Marc Grégoire  Assistant Deputy Minister, Safety and Security, Department of Transport
Louis Ranger  Deputy Minister, Department of Transport
André Morency  Assistant Deputy Minister, Corporate Services, Department of Transport

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Lawrence Cannon Conservative Pontiac, QC

I appreciate the way you're acting, but the reality is, Mr. Volpe, under your watch, rail derailments went up. We're looking at it and we're going to do something.

3:50 p.m.

Liberal

Joe Volpe Liberal Eglinton—Lawrence, ON

We've had under your watch—

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Merv Tweed

Monsieur Laframbroise.

3:50 p.m.

Liberal

Joe Volpe Liberal Eglinton—Lawrence, ON

—accidents and deaths. Are you taking responsibility for them?

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Merv Tweed

Monsieur Laframbroise, please.

May 7th, 2007 / 3:50 p.m.

Bloc

Mario Laframboise Bloc Argenteuil—Papineau—Mirabel, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Mr. Minister, my first question concerns the Outaouais region. Under "Grants and Contributions", vote 10 sets out the Outaouais Roadway Development Agreement, totalling $18 million. Vote 55 sets out contributions made by the Office of Infrastructure of Canada. The national highway network is undoubtedly included within infrastructure. We can see here that the Government of Quebec has delayed a $41 million investment in highway 50.

Strangely, at around the same time, you jointly announced with the Government of Quebec that there would be investments in the anti-noise wall in Gatineau, investments to extend highway 5 and investments to cover the cost overruns of the McConnell-Laramée highway.

Can you guarantee me that funds allocated for highway 50 will not be used for those three projects?

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

Lawrence Cannon Conservative Pontiac, QC

You have my guarantee.

3:50 p.m.

Bloc

Mario Laframboise Bloc Argenteuil—Papineau—Mirabel, QC

My second question is on the "Grants and Contributions", and vote 10. Perhaps I am mistaken, but I believe that in the past, this heading also included contributions to port divestiture programs. Yet, I do not see any votes set aside for it. Is the port divestiture program still in effect? Does this budget set aside funds for the divestiture of ports, given that the vast majority of them are located in Quebec? How much do these amounts come to?

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

Lawrence Cannon Conservative Pontiac, QC

When I appeared before this committee exactly one year ago, the program had already expired on March 31, 2006. Measures were taken this past year to renew the program. As such, budget 2007 now includes renewal of the program. It has been renewed in principle, and it is included in the budget, if I am not mistaken. Therefore, the program is still ongoing.

In fact, when I traveled to Trois-Pistoles last month, I announced the divestiture of port assets to the inter-municipal corporation. I also took the opportunity to announce that we would be making the required financial contributions to the corporation in order to update and renovate the Escoumins and Trois-Pistoles harbours. The program is still underway.

3:50 p.m.

Bloc

Mario Laframboise Bloc Argenteuil—Papineau—Mirabel, QC

Can you please confirm the amounts available for Quebec?

3:50 p.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Transport

Louis Ranger

In the last budget, a very significant amount was approved. We must meet with Treasury Board very soon to talk about the details, but I can assure you that an amount has been set aside to complete the program. It involves more than $100 million for the entire country. It is a very significant amount.

3:50 p.m.

Bloc

Mario Laframboise Bloc Argenteuil—Papineau—Mirabel, QC

Will that allow for the return of our ports to Quebec?

3:50 p.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Transport

Louis Ranger

We believe that all ports will be transferred.

3:50 p.m.

Bloc

Mario Laframboise Bloc Argenteuil—Papineau—Mirabel, QC

Have you made that estimate, or are you still assessing the matter?

3:50 p.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Transport

Louis Ranger

In some cases, there have been some major hurdles. For example, members of the first nations may perhaps oppose land divestiture. We are trying to realistically evaluate what can be transferred.

3:50 p.m.

Bloc

Mario Laframboise Bloc Argenteuil—Papineau—Mirabel, QC

Mr. Minister, my next question deals with vote 55. The Strategic Highway Infrastructure Program will be replaced by the Building Canada Fund, I believe. Within this program, an agreement was signed between Canada and Quebec to make shared investments in small regional railways which are often a part of larger rail networks. The federal government's contribution is $30 million.

Is the amount of $30 million to be found in the Strategic Highway Infrastructure Program budget for 2007-2008?

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

Lawrence Cannon Conservative Pontiac, QC

That amount was already set aside because it had been approved in the 2005 budget by the former government. The amount has been specifically reserved for strategic investment programs to assist small and local railways.

3:55 p.m.

Bloc

Mario Laframboise Bloc Argenteuil—Papineau—Mirabel, QC

Those railways need this assistance in order to ensure transportation safety. I know that you are open to resolving this problem. All those funds will be dedicated to infrastructure in order to resolve safety issues involving these railways that often run across our regions.

I know that money is not available. Can you tell me what is missing so that this money—

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

Lawrence Cannon Conservative Pontiac, QC

In fact, the money is available, a contribution is—

3:55 p.m.

Bloc

Mario Laframboise Bloc Argenteuil—Papineau—Mirabel, QC

But it hasn't been spent.

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

Lawrence Cannon Conservative Pontiac, QC

Exactly. The Government of Quebec, the private sector and owners all make contributions, as do railways. The issue is moving forward. The final authorizations are almost complete. I would hope that in the upcoming months we will finally be able to make an announcement.

3:55 p.m.

Bloc

Mario Laframboise Bloc Argenteuil—Papineau—Mirabel, QC

Be careful, the last time you said this in the fall, it was delayed.

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

Lawrence Cannon Conservative Pontiac, QC

The fall ends on December 21st. Mirabel was returned before December 21st.

3:55 p.m.

Bloc

Mario Laframboise Bloc Argenteuil—Papineau—Mirabel, QC

My last question concerns the Building Canada Fund. In your speech, you said that you are attached... When will we know what the new program's benchmarks are? There are many questions concerning the replacement of one program by another. What can you tell us so that we can provide assurances to all those who wish to benefit from the Building Canada Fund, such as municipalities and organizations? Can we know what the timeline is soon?

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

Lawrence Cannon Conservative Pontiac, QC

The timeline is rather tight. We are in the midst of completing the program's design. I will be making a presentation to the cabinet very soon. After that, we should be receiving authorization from Treasury Board to begin negotiations with the provinces on the design, architecture, and goals of the program. I believe that by the end of the year, we will be able to move forward.

In the meantime, on Friday, I announced an agreement with the provinces on the subject of the Municipal Rural Infrastructure Fund. This fund will allow us to satisfy the needs of municipalities which have spoken out in recent years. The fund should serve, to my mind, as a palliative measure while new programs are being established.